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spinnaker

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Re: them and us
« Reply #60 on: February 17, 2006, 09:33:21 pm »
I bet you do not mention there is a more powerful machine to your customers

But nod when they are impressed by the machine you have!

Imagine how impressed they are when they catch a glimse of a truckmount!

 Paul

Help me out someone these guys never give up!!!!!


spinnaker

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Re: them and us
« Reply #61 on: February 17, 2006, 09:34:45 pm »
Don't need to talk

Truckmount speaks for itself!!!!!!!!

craigp

Re: them and us
« Reply #62 on: February 17, 2006, 09:36:07 pm »
they dont see your TM and it just looks like a jenny!

lol ;D

spinnaker

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Re: them and us
« Reply #63 on: February 17, 2006, 09:40:02 pm »
We used to have a tv that you had to get up and push the buttons to change the station!

Can you believe it?

Thats a similiar story you will tell one day about carpet cleaning!

craigp

Re: them and us
« Reply #64 on: February 17, 2006, 09:43:52 pm »
joking aside, your TM does a better job and there fore more impressive.

all good.

but for me now i just could not justifi the cost i dont want to spend a years earning to pay for one, if i dont buy it ive not got to earn it.

i can sit back and relax, ahhhhh lifes a sosuage :)

spinnaker

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Re: them and us
« Reply #65 on: February 17, 2006, 09:57:22 pm »
Craig

I bought a second hand t/m seriously consider it!

On really big days I used to take a lad with me, now I dont need him (what would he do ?)

Flog everything you got,  working with a porty is really hard work

Somebody who has worked in this game for a long time once said to me "this job will kill you if you let it " 

I dont know how old you are but at some point a t/m will be a must have.

Dave Parry

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Re: them and us
« Reply #66 on: February 17, 2006, 10:15:27 pm »
Took me 18 months of porty work to pay for a new t/m.

Cleaning co, have you ever seen a t/m at work?
Dont think I ever said they do a better job, just there quicker and easier to clean with for most jobs.

If you got your head out of your arse, you may just see the porkies passing your window.
Bracknell, Berkshire,
Phoenix T/M,
http://www.cleanercarpets.org/index.html

Spot On cleaning

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Re: them and us
« Reply #67 on: February 17, 2006, 10:34:24 pm »
Paul (Spinnaker)

STOP IT NOW >:(

Stop goding the poor porty owners. If you keep on about the fact that our Truck Mounts can out perform their portables, you will give them a serious Inferiority complex ;D ;D :D

They are simply doing the best they can. Whether they like it or not, the customers are interested in my equipment, and i always give them a quick talk about the different methods of carpet cleaning while they are looking at my Tm.

Good advertising will educate the customer to the benefits.

Dave

spinnaker

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Re: them and us
« Reply #68 on: February 17, 2006, 10:45:47 pm »
Spot on by name spot on by nature!

only checking in for a reply to dave's post now!

Spot On cleaning

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Re: them and us
« Reply #69 on: February 17, 2006, 11:02:42 pm »
Thankyou Spinnaker.

 I just hope they get a few portables into the museums now before its too late. I would like to think that my grand children can be reminded of what life was like before progress came along. :D :D :D :D :D

I wonder what those martians in the potato telly adert would say if they thought in this day and age, people were still using electricity to power a machine to clean carpets ;) ;) :D :o :o :o

Dave


spinnaker

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Re: them and us
« Reply #70 on: February 17, 2006, 11:38:04 pm »
Wasnt it you that told me to stop!

Go easy!

c'mon cleaning co where are you lets be avin you!

We need a twelth man or maybe twelve vac motors

Dont fancy knocking on all the neighbours doors for an electric socket!

Or maybe they will buy a large genny to run em anything but buy a truckmount!

OH they would probably say "your not plugging that thing in I can suck more air thru a straw than that"

Paul

Spot On cleaning

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Re: them and us
« Reply #71 on: February 17, 2006, 11:57:23 pm »
No on a serious note.

Portables were first mentioned in the Doomsday book, then some clever person invented the internal combuston engine. :D :D ::) ::) :P :P

These potty, sorry i meant porty owners are like the early luddites smashing up the machinery because they didn't understand it. I reckon in a few years the labour government will have to set up a special fund for all the out of work porty owners. ;D ;D ;D ;D

How many times have you been to a rental property where theres no electric, or to a property wheres there are lots of steps to get up with a portable?

What machine are you using?

I hope you have joined the other forum because there are some usfull tips and hints on there.

Dave

spinnaker

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Re: them and us
« Reply #72 on: February 18, 2006, 12:05:19 am »
Spot on

As mentioned on the other sites I have bought a S/H prochem legend, nothing fancy,  still have a couple of portables and various other machines for commercial jobs you have a hydramaster dont you?

Spot On cleaning

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Re: them and us
« Reply #73 on: February 18, 2006, 12:21:27 am »
Sorry i didn't know you were already on the other forum as we tend to use our first names.

No i have a prochem blazer plus which i bought new in 2005. With the van, insurance etc it has set me back over 20 grand. This is why i want to get as much work as possible even if i have to make the portys look inferior.

Regarding these porty owners, at least thingy Turpin wore a mask when he robbed them. Some of the prices these porty people get is astronomical. We could do a better job for probably what they charge.

Please do not insult fellow cleaners

Dave

Ian Gourlay

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Re: them and us
« Reply #74 on: February 18, 2006, 12:25:55 am »
Please explain.

Computers get smaller.

TVs get Slimmer.

Yet Carpet Cleaning appears to be destroying the planet.

You try to sell Your Customers a cleaner indoor environment and yet you destroy the air quality in our towns and cities.
The next door nieghbour who has been on night shift wonders what the racket is and phones environmental health.

Meanwhile at Central Control the opertor takes a call, the road to Churchill  Grange is blocked by this Van with pipes coming out of it.  (Estates are getting Smaller Roads. Planners only allow 1.5 parking spaces  per unit on New Build. High rise is on the way back)



Truckmounts are not required. Just skilled opertors and improvements to low poluting portable systems.

We need smaller vechicles  lighter smaller more efficient machines not Giaint Transits carry around future scrap metal.



And fancy paying 20k Mr Halliday made his for 2K




garyj

Re: them and us
« Reply #75 on: February 18, 2006, 02:26:58 am »
Ian makes  a good point about things getting smaller. There are porties now with 500+ psi, more than enough for anyone.

On the window cleaning section they even have a world record holder for speed, I bet he makes very good money to. But when the same thing is said on here you get nothing but insults saying you're splash & dash and do a  crap job.

We're a really weird bunch. Must be the only trade I can think of where bigger and slower is considered better than smaller and faster. If things carry on like this we'll all be cleaning 1 lounge a day for £400 because it takes 8 hours to do with a machine that needs to be transported in a 40ft lorry.

garyj

Re: them and us
« Reply #76 on: February 18, 2006, 02:57:00 am »
Also, just read through this lot and what I rememeber is, I used to take a lad with me on the really big jobs, but now I have a truckmount I don't need to and the best one has got to be 'using my 20K t/m I save an hour a day, or I can fit in another job' that statement leaves me gobsmacked. If I was spending that sort of money on a machine it would have to save me 3 hours a day to do the extra work to pay for the d**n thing.

It SAVES an HOUR a day!!!?? Buy a truckmount and spend an extra hour a day with the mrs, porties all round then.  ( and what about that poor lad thats now out of work  :'( )

Alan Brooker. Aqualink Carpet Care

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Re: them and us
« Reply #77 on: February 18, 2006, 07:44:44 am »
Ah well that's it then. We've found the answer.
A 20K truckmount system that runs on fume producing fuel and should be put out of business during a hose pipe ban ... 'Can save you an hour a day'!

Um Sorry to keep banging the same drum but a 4k Pro 500 Ozone portable which is environmentally friendly in that it recycles water, doesn't require heat, uses food grade prespray while flushing with plain water and runs off of ONE electric lead ... 'Can save you TWO hours a day'!

As for the previous comments about electric in the future ... Do the words HYBRID DRIVE or FUEL CELL TECHNOLOGY or TOYOTA PRIUS or HONDA IMA or LEXUS RX400 HYBRID etc mean anything to you. If anything I'd be worried about forking out such a large sum on something that is already starting to be replaced slowly. Ok it wont hit this market for donkeys years yet but you're the ones that go on about keeping up with the times.
When you were a kid did you ever go to one of those 'steam' shows and see all the old pulling machinery .........

Oh no I've just dragged this subject kicking and screaming into another day ;D ;D ;D

Alan
Experience does not qualify as Knowledge and Understanding.
Understand how and why and you'll produce great results.

IICRC, Woolsafe, Fenice & LTT trained.
Member of Eco Carpet Care, NCCA & Woolsafe.

Spot On cleaning

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Re: them and us
« Reply #78 on: February 18, 2006, 08:41:44 am »
Alan,

Yes my machine does cause polution, that i am never goig to deny. But before you worry about miniscule amounts from this, you should worry about the polution from the thousands of aeroplanes, especially jumbos, that probably will burn mor fuel in 1 month than my machine will burn in it's life span.

Yes fuel cells are an up and coming phenominem, but i think to get the technology right is a long time a coming.

Hosepipe bans; we've had these before and they usually last a short time only. These so called recycling machines are a new fad. Do you not walk into your local retailers and diy shops, and see a range of products on the little telly screen in the store or on your own telly advertising a range of products with new concepts. People are intrigued by them with the large proportion of them buying it, only to use it a few times then putting it away in the cupboard.

In short these people know that, and with good advertising, hopefully they can make the sale before the concept falls flat on its face.

This echos the age old story of the emperors new clothes. The king is naked said the little boy! ;D ;D ;D

On a serious note, i used a portable for 3 happy years, with the view of upgrading to a truck mount. The suction is better, the instant heat is better, the reliability is better long with its image. Yes image, you might say, here we go again, carpet cleaner with big ego. No Alan i am simply using a tool just like you are to do a job, but i along with all the other carpet cleaners will tell you time and time again that our product does it better than any portable. If your theory held any water, truck mount sales would be i decline instead of the other way.

In short, £20000+ might seem a lot of expenditure migh seem a lot of money, but with my individual case there are good tax circumstances, and as the old advert used to say, because i can.

Dave

Spot On cleaning

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Re: them and us
« Reply #79 on: February 18, 2006, 08:54:55 am »
Ian, i just read your post again. When i was a shift worker off 12 hour nights i could sleep through anything.

I did mention the fact on another topic somewhere that it is my intention of building a truck mount when the time allows me to do so. I would think that with a new 46hp engine, 3 lobe blower and top wac water pump coupled with all the ancillary bits, this would come in at a reasonable price. My brother in law has his own engineering shop and has ofered to help with the welding and manufacture of the frame.

I do not think you could manufacture and sell these though due to the level of testing and certification that would needed to be met.

Never had problems with parking before and if i do, i don't do the job or with the high rises. I do have a good portable machine, but i think the time spent in lugging my porty in the lift, i could be somewhere else earning better money with no grief.

Dave