[carpetclean]

HEY SOLAR all i can say is WELL SAID time someone pointed out its not them and us but just US a cleaning forum for cleaners too many people arguing over the size of their dicks if you ask me

[cleaning co]

Cleaning Co, firstly what you doing up at this time of the morning and secondly, you made some good points

As i have said before, i had a twin vac Extracta for three years, with no problems.I was lucky in that 2002 i was able to spend £5000 cash out of my redundancy money for my equipment. It gave me a living.

The problem was however, the number of people loosing their jobs, and deciding to have a go with cheaper machines, thus flooding the market, and some of them tarnishing it with slap and dash methods.

I strived hard for 3 years then eventually bought a truck mount to move me out of this potential flooded area of the market to the other end. At least i know that my equipment is out of reach of the newbie, or the mates clubbing together to get a start. There are customers out there who can afford to pay, and in future with aggresive marketing of the tm,s ability, these customers in my area will be out of rreach of the portable user. With some people they might say to your face, "You've done a wonderful job," but analise your work after you have left. Bare in mind when i was employed and taking home say £320 a week my wife used to say "lets have the carpets cleaned at around £60," and i would do them myself wiith a vax as i truly resented anyone earning that amount of money with maybe a machine, not much better than a vax, in a short time.

Maybe this is why many jobs are booked by women so their husbands don't find out. Now along comes the tm,s. People look at them, their impressed and will pay the money you want because they respect the fact that you've paid a substantial amount of money on it. I can remember posting leaflets 3 years ago, and seeing 2 men coming out of a house with a large industrial wet vac and carpet attachment on the end of the pipe, oh and a bowl of water and scrubbing brush. doyou see the image conjured up in many peoples minds of some carpet cleaners.

Cleaning Co, all i can say is watch out behind you, another redundant person is coming into your ever decreasing sector to steal some of your wor. Best get a real tm before its too late : : :

You have been warned

MORNING   cant really see what u trying to say here? are u comparing my £15000 setup with a vax? hope not  lol  ive been doing this long time and seen lots come and go with crap machinery, my custys i hav been cleaning for years and no way would they someone with a vax over me !! do u really think people see my shiny new van all proff sign written with hoses coming out of it making lots nosie as someone cleaning with a vax out of an old estate car ? mmm think not gary
p.s come on COLCHESTER UNITED

[Spot On cleaning]

Morning.

All i am saying, its an easy market to break into, and surely at some point there will be too many vying for the work. No i am not comparing your equipment with a vax, but saying that many people would rather use diy machines rather than have someone in, which i used to do. This is why only 20% or somewhere near only have their arpets cleaned.

All i am trying to do is enter into a top end market, and am using aggressive marketing outlining the benefits of tm,s, and i hope that after educating them about these facts, that they will come around to the fact that they are getting value for money due to our outlay. I have produced a nice little booklet which i leave with customers outlining the different methods of carpet cleaning, and after i have been to price the work, they can read it and make up their own minds.

Obviously in this boolet, the truck mount is publicised to the full over the portable machine, but i still carry one in case i can't reach the area. I think in a few short years, a lot more people will get a foothold on the ladder due to second hand tm's coming onto the market, and hopefully there will still be work left for others :

I must go soon as i have got office carpets to clean today.

Dave

[cleaning co]

 CAN C SOME OF YOUR POINTS BUT IAM NOT WORRIED THESE NEWBIES WILL NOT LAST 5 MINS AS U AND ME NO HOW MUCH TIME EFORT AND COST IS IN THIS GAME
P.S OCH !!! WORKING ON A SUNDAY HOPE THEY ARE PAYING LOTS !!!

[Spot On cleaning]

Small sized offices, 5 hours work £285.

The customer is a previous, but was at first taken aback as last cost 2 years ago was £165, but i would have walked away if he had said no. He's also having his house done in a couple of weeks time.

Dave

[Karl Wildey]

having just read some of the rubbish written by people who do not owe a TM, yes you may have tried one, but you need to use any machine for a length of time, to realise its benefits, I have one question that springs to mind:-

No wonder the TM'ers formed their own forum, they know TMs, they know the advantage and yes, dis-advantages and they are several of these.

I owe both a porty and a TM and use both regurlar. And if you think a porty is as good as a TM, you are wrong, if you think a TM is the answer to everything, you are wrong. Horses for courses.

If you started with a single vac, low psi pump, you upgraded for a reason, and so the cycle carries on. If you started with a nice machine, you still think about upgrading to a bigger and better machine, thats business.

[cleaning co]

karl  y dont people read posts properly ? i hav never said a porty is as good as a truckmount i said u can achive results as good as a truckmount with a porty in the right situ and using a porty to its full , : if i started doing comericals i would with out q buy a truckmount full stop , my post on this thread are not to rubbish a truckmount in anyway what so ever, but imo and i only do domestic jobs u can do just as good job and as fast  with a top porty and doing it the way i do thats all ken, and iam giving people an insight of how they can make thier working life easyier if they dont want the costs involed with a truckmount buy , so i dont regard my views as rubbish just facts coming from a tried and tested system which i use every day
regards gary

[craigp]

but karl,

 with a tm you only use 400psi on a domestic, you can get that on a porty, if you run a porty from the van with auto fill etc. weres the advantage of a tm.  i can see the advantage of the porty though its these  £££££££££££££

   you tms bite easy

[John Rimmer Marshall & Rimmer Ltd]

I find it incredible that there are people on this forum still going on about
being asked by custys do you use a TM. As i have already sead on this topic
in over 10 years this has never hapened. Thats not to say it never will if and when it ever does i shall endever to point out what has already been sead
ie that you do not need to use a machine like that to clean a carpet or upholstery. Something ells that has been forgoten is the fact that correct me if i am wrong but it was America where the TM came from , now would you not think that if a TM was such a great machine and could do everything there would be no need for any portables. So i wonder wye the manufactures over
there continue to make and upgrade portables ? surely they should all be bankrupt, could it possibly be that CC over there actualy use them, just a thought.

                               Take Care John

[cleaning co]

i too in 12 years hav never ever been asked "do i use a truckmount" i even advertise as a truckmount and no one has ever asked whats a truckmount then?

[craigp]

they got some mega powered portys at that,  in 3 and 1/2 years i have only once had custy ask abrutly, "do you use a TM"  "no"  "ok bye"  i think it was a competitor. that was recently.  its hard enough paying for a porty in this game without 18k on a TM.

[craigp]

i that note what is the cost of TM?  15k loan over 5 years £300 a month! ?  on top of all other advertising!  how long will a truck mount last?

really you should take the wheels off your ninja gary, technicaly then its not a porty, and truck mounted!  lol

[cleaning co]

allready done that    EVEN THOUGH my ninja is sold as a porty  it take two to lift out of a van its very heavy machine

[BRSL]

Cant believe this debate is still going oh well here I go 

I also cant believe you never get asked if you use TM's mmmmmmmmmmm 

But you guys go on about 400 psi on portys thats all well and good but it's not the psi thats doing the work it's the lpm thats doing the cleaning aswell 

James

[solar]

how do you find the truckmount forum

[cleaning co]

isnt 400 psi the same on any machine?

[BRSL]

Gary nope psi is the presure, you could throw a thimble of water at a carpet at 400psi but what do you think thats going to do, not alot, it's the littres a minute the pump is pushing at 400psi, a porty could never push as much as a TM because you would get through a tank in a couple of seconds, it;s the same as pressure washers

James

[Mike Halliday]

I never want to get into the T/M portable debate but I'd like to piont out one reason a truckmount will always be quicker.

I use a 4x 8002 jets with a pump which will put out ( if I want) 4gl/min. when I pull my wand across the carpet it will flush out the dirt with twice as much water as a portable, so a portable will have to do 2 strokes for every 1 I do with my truckmount.

the blower on my machine has easily the suction to recover this amount of water.

If a portable wants the same drying time it will also have to do extra drying strokes, again this will mean it takes longer.

forget about set-up time this is why a T/M is quicker.

Mike

[cleaning co]

are yes i agree with u if u hav 4 jets but two jets the same size set at same psi will use same amount of water

[BRSL]

nope dont think so  hopefully theres somone technical out there that can put us straight