[ian1965]

With all this H and S  I think on the grounds of self preservation I will stay in bed 

[R.C Property]

R.C  , i get you one minute then you blow me away the next !!!

From what you just said , it would have been safer to foot the ladder with a stand off on mossy steps for the back ??

Then over extend a ladder for the front against railings giving it the perfect opportunity to slide either way with no railing spindles to stop it , then if you are lucky enough to clamber over the rail without falling off , you would use what i think you call a platform step , i think of them as a plasterers hop up , these would put you 2 foot higher against the railing height with no point of solid contact for one hand at least , i used the professional A frame thus giving one of my hands a point of contact .

I do believe that i took the best and safest option for the job 

Also , why the customer in or out bit , surely you dont mean that you cut safety corners if they are out , or do you get them to foot your ladder if they are in 

Rich 

I was saying what we do, I have person come out with me on gutter cleans and help do things like foot ladders etc,
if the ladder was set right it wouldn't slide, as this is how it's done when you gain access to a flat roof etc.
No I got a platform separate that is nearly 1m off the ground not those small ones. They are safe to use. As you would need 2 hands anyway even if you are on ladder!

If the customers was in I would say that I need access through the house to get onto the balcony, this way you won't need to use ladders to get access over the railings.

[Lee GLS]

When I used to be an aircraft engineer, there were various courses that we could go on, it wasn't compulsory, but we could go on them if we wanted to. Some would go just to have a skive, other went, because it made them feel important that they were getting sent one training course, it would be something to boast about to their friends, to make their job sound really important.

I get the impression that the same applies to a lot of the pro training course members on here. It makes them feel like they actually have an important business and that they HAVE to keep up with the latest legislation, and when they go down the pub they can tell all their mates that they have been on ANOTHER important traing course (that's if they still have any and bored them to death telling them how dangerous ladders are for the 100th time).

But sadly we are all JUST cleaners nothing more nothing less, and no amount of training courses are ever going to change that.

[PoleKing]

+1 Lee.

[Steve Sed]

No Lee. We are entrepreneurs. 

[Lee GLS]

No Lee. We are entrepreneurs. 

Entrepreneurs do not clean windows 

[P @ F]

R.C . have you ever cleaned a window without wfp ?

The thing is when i was on the rungs doing it the "old" way i only had two hands , 1 to hold the ladder and 1 to mop/blade , are you telling me you have 3 hands as both your hands clearly stay on the ladder , or are you another 1 trick pony that only got into w/c cos wfp made it easy for you ?

Rich 

[stuart mc]

R.C . have you ever cleaned a window without wfp ?

The thing is when i was on the rungs doing it the "old" way i only had two hands , 1 to hold the ladder and 1 to mop/blade , are you telling me you have 3 hands as both your hands clearly stay on the ladder , or are you another 1 trick pony that only got into w/c cos wfp made it easy for you ?

Rich 

tell the truth now Rich, you ran up the ladder with no hands on the ladder and your three points of contact were feet and a knee it was how I worked

[P @ F]

Stu M , from now on i will do as i see fit , if i wish to hop up my ladder blindfolded with a house brick tied to my knackers then i will , it just seems to me that whatever so called push for safety that whatever body wishes to put forward gets the attention and subsiquent panic from people who climbed a ladder every day without a thought , now all of a sudden its seen as unprofessional to even own a ladder , wake up you gimps , the ladder will always have a home .
Did the SKY man scaffold your house when he put your dish on ? (NO) but you are happy to watch telly in the knowledge that he may have fallen from the ladder and left a wife and kids alone for a bit of money .
Two sides to every coin , but some people only see their side of the coin when it suits them  

Its a bit like R.C.he never overloads his overloaded van , yet to do the job this all started from he now says that he would have taken a 1 metre high platform , no doubt made of lightweight material and his mate to foot the ladder in order to pass it up to th balcony .........So R.C. has a payload of 600kg , 400kg is gone in water and tanks , thus leaving 200kg  .......well i think that just went out the windie with 2 men , 1 platform , diesel in tank , 64gb tablet , and all that wooden boxing in and tat that i saw in the Lee Burbidge (whats in your van feature on YOUTUBE) .

Some could say i have a bee in my bonnet , but im cool , trust me !!!

Rich            

[R.C Property]

Stu M , from now on i will do as i see fit , if i wish to hop up my ladder blindfolded with a house brick tied to my knackers then i will , it just seems to me that whatever so called push for safety that whatever body wishes to put forward gets the attention and subsiquent panic from people who climbed a ladder every day without a thought , now all of a sudden its seen as unprofessional to even own a ladder , wake up you gimps , the ladder will always have a home .
Did the SKY man scaffold your house when he put your dish on ? (NO) but you are happy to watch telly in the knowledge that he may have fallen from the ladder and left a wife and kids alone for a bit of money .
Two sides to every coin , but some people only see their side of the coin when it suits them  

Its a bit like R.C.he never overloads his overloaded van , yet to do the job this all started from he now says that he would have taken a 1 metre high platform , no doubt made of lightweight material and his mate to foot the ladder in order to pass it up to th balcony .........So R.C. has a payload of 600kg , 400kg is gone in water and tanks , thus leaving 200kg  .......well i think that just went out the windie with 2 men , 1 platform , diesel in tank , 64gb tablet , and all that wooden boxing in and tat that i saw in the Lee Burbidge (whats in your van feature on YOUTUBE) .

Some could say i have a bee in my bonnet , but im cool , trust me !!!

Rich            

400kg hasnt gone on water, guess you cant do maths, 1 125lt + 1 250lt= ?
the 250lt cant be filled right up so making it around 200-225 and the 125 cant either due to the shape of it, so making that around 100lt
so a max of at least 300-325lts!

as i have said before, i have had the van weighed and passed by police approved people!
when i do gutters with the other guy i have no water in the van as i book them all in for the same day,
yes i have cleaned windows without wfp,
i have 17 years on ladders in total, not all window cleaning in the building trade (other side of my business)
i have access to any access equipment i want as father in laws owns his own tool hire company so i only use the top rated equpment when needed.  

[P @ F]

Now i know that lots of you are thinking ..... what is his prob with R.C ..... its nowt personal he just tore in first , it could well have been Mr Willis that got the first post in , i have given him the go ahead to use pics and quotes , only because i know that most of the people in the next class will be sat there thinking "to be honest , thats what i would have done "......... before i got brainwashed  

No offence Mr W , you do what you do, and i'll do my voodoo  

Rich  (not dead yet)  

[R.C Property]

Now i know that lots of you are thinking ..... what is his prob with R.C ..... its nowt personal he just tore in first , it could well have been Mr Willis that got the first post in , i have given him the go ahead to use pics and quotes , only because i know that most of the people in the next class will be sat there thinking "to be honest , thats what i would have done "......... before i got brainwashed  

No offence Mr W , you do what you do, and i'll do my voodoo  

Rich  (not dead yet)  

check back i wasnt the first!

all i said it wasnt the safest but at least they are clean!
and you even admitted that it wasnt and you could of used your gutter vac but didnt! lol

[stuart mc]

 

it is only a forum lads, you are allowed to disagree

calm down

do as you see fit and live with it is all I would say

I think you both get that so hope I haven't peed anyone off

[R.C Property]

it is only a forum lads, you are allowed to disagree

calm down

do as you see fit and live with it is all I would say

I think you both get that so hope I haven't peed anyone off

yer you are right,
not peed me off anyway lol  

[P @ F]

NO , NO, NO , Hes still overloaded i wont hear of it Stu  

[P @ F]

Ohhh  OK then R.C are we friends again  ?

Rich 

[R.C Property]

Ohhh  OK then R.C are we friends again   ?

Rich  

was we friends in the first place? lol  

its only words at the end of the day!

virtual handshake?? no spit tho! lol

[stuart mc]

night lads

[R.C Property]

night lads

night,  or shall i say morning?? ?? lol

[P @ F]

No , definately no spit bud , it makes the rungs slippy , did Andrew not mention that  

Rich