[borg]

i am thinking of bying a freedom trol systom and would like 2 know how good it is i do a lot of 3 ter ladder work would it be good for that work cold any 1 useing 1 let me know thanx .

[Andrew McCann]

Hi Borg

I know I am the seller of the Freedom trolley but I can answer your question re height.  Yes it will easilly do work at that height. In fact because we use the Shurflo 100 PSI pump it will power with ease the longest poles you can get.

I know it does the job very well. In fact it was designed initially just for my window cleaning business. I found it to be such an asset that we decided to have a look at what the market thought about it. The rest is history.

Heres a few posts posts you could look at from other users.

http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=16375.0

http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=16339.0

http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=15859.0

Personally I think its great for the job 

All the best

Andrew

[Sure Cleaning]

Hi Borg,

I have one of Andrew's Freedom Trolley's. I have tried and used a couple of other makes in the past, and I can honestly say the Freedom Trolley is brilliant and would not like to be with out it now!

It looks professional, and is a professional bit of kit. It's easy and quick to load in van or car. 100psi pump, 80amp battery and variflow make it good enough for any job.

We use it every day all day and yet it only needs charging once a week and even then it is not completly flat.

We have also had a sign written board added to it which has also generated quite a few new customers.

Check out their website and Andrew is a great guy to do business with.

All the best

Steve G

[stuart howes]

GET ONE GET ONE GET ONE
THIS TROLLEY IS THE NUTS IT GOES IN THE CAR VAN SO EASY IT IS SO WELL MADE MUCH BETTER THAN I EXPECTED PLUS ANDREW MCCANN THE BRAINS BEHIND THE SYSTEM IS A STAR  HE IS SO HELPFUL   I MUST HAVE BEEN ON THE PHONE OVER 6 HOURS TALKING ABOUT THE TROLLEY AND LOAD OF OTHER STUFF
PLUS ANY PROBS AND HE IS SORTING THEM OUT BEFORE HE PUT THE PHONE DOWN    (HE HE ANDREW)   ALL I CAN SAY IS JUST GET YOUR MONEY OUT THE BANK AND GET ON NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[borg]

thanx peep's i will get 1 soon.

[brett walker]

hi borg

freedom trolly   

brilliant



brett

[Filllllll]

Freedom Trolley - brilliant!!!

The pump and Varistream exactly the same as on my Trailer system and so could use as a back up in case of systems failure.

Filllllll

[neil100]

Lets all come and bow down at the Freedom Trolley Alter.

Nel.

[windows_chepstow]

Andrew won't be happy with this post (sorry Andrew) unless you 'happy purchasers' can fight his corner.

But to provide a bit of independant balance, what is the advantage of a Freedom trolley over a Shurflo-Back pack?

Apart from the fact it costs - and weighs - a whole load more?

You might be able to squeeze in five to ten more litres of water (depending on your barrel size), but is that worth the extra £400 plus for the whole set-up? 

The 32kg dry weight of the Freedom trolley puts me off, especially when I can lift my backpack over walls, gates, fences or half/quarter fill it and use it as a 'grab and go'.

Go on, sell it to me.  Summer's comming and I'm considering purchasing a second back-pack for Wor Lass.

Why should I pay the extra for a Freedom Trolley?

[Jeff Brimble]

TOSH How do you see Wor Las using a backpack, I am interested because I am thinking about getting my wor las to use one. She currently uses a Mclaren pushchair for the bucket and bobs. I have tried at least 5 different sets of wheels and always come back to bpac power. Mainly cause I hate hoses dragging in dog do etc.
I know Phil hanson made something for his wor las and Lewis Doubtfire has a belt pac.

[Andrew McCann]

No problem at all with your post Tosh.

I am dog tired having been on the phone almost constantly all night dealing with customers and enquiries etc.  It comes with the territory if you want to offer a complete package and not just sell something and forget the customer.

Anyway to your point.

Those who have dealt with me I am sure will agree that I try to be as unbiased as possible. I always ask about the type of work that someone has before making any suggestions. Maybe you won't believe me but from what you have stated before about the access problems re gates..fences you have to get over etc on your round I would suggest that you buy another Shurflo backpack. It does the job it is supposed to do very well. I reckon its all about the right tool for the job and from the markets reaction to the Freedom trolley it does the job it was intended to do very well indeed.  IE the type of work I have which after all is why it came into existence.

I would be a fool not to listen to people and knowingly sell them a freedom trolley when deep down I know it wont do the job for them. Accordingly I have in the recent past advised people to get other equipment because it suits their needs better. The backpack I reckon suits your needs better so stick with it.

Cheers

Andrew

[neil100]

Andrew.

10 out of 10 for your reply to tosh.

You are a rare breed indeed, A businessman and a gentlemen to boot.

I have a lot of Respect for someone like yourself who must be very busy, but allways finds the time to offer helpfull advice to others on this Forum  without an hidden agenda of trying to make money for yourself.

Your a Star.

Nel.

[windows_chepstow]

So what is the advantage of a Freedom Trolley over a backpack, apart from 5 to 10 litres and a lot of weight?

I can think of two. 

A.   I have to charge my backpack battery each evening, which isn't a trauma.  With the Freedom, I believe your battery lasts for around three days.

B.   A handy pole-holder - which the Freedom Trolley has - would be convenient; but not essential as I have two hands.

Okay, I admit the Freedom trolley does look smarter too, but I've only lost one customer due to using my WFP, (she reckoned it would damage her wooden frames); none due to shoddy work-manship or because my shurflo looked naff.

But the weight puts me off.  My backpack on a trolley must weigh around 6kg dry.  Not 32kg dry, as the Freedom does.  The backpack truly gives you 'freedom', as you can take it absolutely anywhere.  You can even carry it through houses to get to the rear, and there's no wheel marks left on the kitchen floor.  You can easily take it up hills or steps and I've even carried up ladders and onto flat roofs.

Fill the freedom full of water and you've got around 57 kg of weight on two wheels.  My (long-time-ago) boxing weight was 71 kg (light-middleweight - around 11 stone), so I reckon you're carting a bantam weight boxer about with you; about 9 stone.

'Straw-weight' is heavy enough for me.  I'm not sure I'd want to upgrade!

So, given that the difference in water carrying capacity is around 5 to 10 litres (depending on your barrel size) what are the advantages of a Freedom trolley over a backpack?

(Andrew doesn't have to reply; I'd prefer users; I may even purchase one if I can see the benefit!).

[neil100]

One downside to the Freedom Trolley over the Backpack is You wont get anyone singing, whistling, humming or shouting GHOSTBUSTERS.

It makes me smile everytime I here it.

Nel.

[Andrew McCann]

One downside to the Freedom Trolley over the Backpack is You wont get anyone singing, whistling, humming or shouting GHOSTBUSTERS.

It makes me smile everytime I here it.

Nel.

One thing you can guarantee about this great forum is that you will always get a laugh or two.. No Tosh I am not laughing at the backpack BTW. 

Thanks for the very kind words above Nel.

From where I have come from it's a real pleasure to deal with "mostly" down to earth genuine people such as to be found in window cleaning. I HAVE to make a living like anyone else but honestly for the first time in my (way too long) working life.  Window cleaning and cleaners make it a pleasure to do so. Believe me when I say that if it changed I would walk away from it without a second thought.

Cheers

Andrew

[Morph]

Tosh, I have read how fit your wife is, but, do not subject her to carrying a backpack!!  Either full or empty.  If she ever reaches her 50s you'll be glad she can still walk!
I use a backpack and I'm happy with it.  It serves my immediate needs (next 12months).  But I have it on a sack barrow, a very light one.  My backpack is Metabi.  I can fill it to almost 20litres.  That's good enough.  If I put that on my back, I would break my neck, at least!  I carry 4 x 25litre containers too.  But I have a vanmount too.
I looked into Andrew's freedom trolley, and his new innovation.  Very well thought out and built.  It has to fit your work though.  It doesn't fit mine right now.  The new trolley...50litres + trolley is very heavy to drag around.  You need work that is suited, so you can place it at a fixed point.
I think Andrew should change his photo.  He's always got his back to us, running away, dragging.  Let's see you skipping along with 50litres Andrew
(Just blown my chances of a discount)

[Andrew McCann]

Oh My Gawddddd....  DISCOUNT!!!!!!!!!!

Shudderrrrrrrrrrrr but... but ...but  I have 15 kids 72 grandkids and a wife wat likes to go and spend Munney 

Just to clear up 1 lil point.  The EXTRA 25 ltr container can be carried just by popping on a attachment...  takes around 5 secs to put it on. You wont be skippin around with it on but it is usefull on the bigger places with good access etc. We hardly ever use it but for what it costs its well worth getting.

AND  I am up for it.!!!!   

Announcement:

FOR THE BRAVE ONLY:   Coming soon.. a pic of me skippin along wiv me Freedom Trolley..  Taken from the front

Discount!!! Bahhhh  humbug!!!!

[brett walker]

Having used both backpack and Freedom trolley they are both excellent for wfp.

I started out with the backpack and found i was wasting quite a bit of water tipping it in but thst just might be ne being cacky handed.  Also time consuming filling it up as it doesnt hold much water, i still use it for some hard to access areas plus it needs charging every night and it is much noisier than the Freedom trolley ( not that this is an issue).  Ladders make noise :

What i find i like about the freedom trolley is you can take your 25ltr container straight out the car on the trolley and away you go.  No wasted water and no time filling up, does not need to be charged up every day the pole holder gives you somewhere secure to hold your pole to save laying it on the dirty ground plus when pulling it along it gives you a free hand.
I find the construction of it has been designed for ease of monuvre, going up and down steps is as easy as taking the backpack.

I am awaiting delivery of the add-on to carry another 25lts of water this will ideal on big jobs.

I personally think its worth paying the extra money for the freedom trolley as i think it will last for years.

The time and detail that gone into designing the trolley have obviously paid off, the end product is " brilliant"

The main thing is its helping me earn more money safely and eficently.
At the end of the day its down to personal preference and affordability

Your choice the backpack, Freedom trolley or Matts diy site or big companies and pay the extra.  I looked into it, did the research and ive heard nothing but good comments since so it looks like ive made the right choice for me .

Brett.

[brett walker]

No im not on commission from Andrew but i am quite partial to a bottle of brandy now and then 

I would suggest a backpack would be ideal for someone who isnt sure about wfp such as Rog- squeeky clean, then if you dont like it you havent spent much money and you can give it to Tosh for wor lass

I use one of those fold up trolleys for my backpack its got gaps in the bottom which makes it easier to operate the settings. i normally have it on number 2

Brett

[borg]

it would be good for the jobs i intend useing it for. and why would i want 2 carry something on my back i want an easy life not a hard 1.