[CleanClear]

This seems a very haphazard website and a good example of how not to do things correctly.
http://www.laneswindowcleaning.com/

There is a blanket method statement and risk assesment policy on offer..........
http://www.laneswindowcleaning.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/LanesMethodStatement.pdf


I just love this. Its designed to look professional. It just smacks incompetence. If a reliance on a blanket policy is the method then it suggests a thorough method statement and risk assesment will not take place and there will be a reliance upon this blanket statement. So basically nothing will be done to assess an individual risk other than refer to this document. Great start !!! It gets better. 

CRB check, now known as a DBS disclosure (Disclosure and Barring Service)
http://www.laneswindowcleaning.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/LanesCRB.pdf

It suggests that although Lanes has been going since 2003 (according to the website) the CRB check has been due to an application for employment this year, to someone else 
 Further to that this 'confidential' information which should be kept secure and only available to concerned parties seems to break every rule of the CRB guidance. Lets see what the guidance says........
1. Have a written policy on the secure handling of Disclosure information which, in the case of Umbrella
  Bodies, should be made available to their clients;

Not seen one of them, may be available though.

2. Store Disclosure information securely;

Doesn't appear secure, as per link above. It seems freely available to the public.

4. Ensure that no reproductions of the Disclosure or its content are made, including photocopies or
  scanned images, unless with the prior agreement of the CRB or as a result of a stipulated
 requirement relating to the e-channel service;

I've no idea if permission was obtained.

5. Only share Disclosure information with relevant persons in the course of their specific duties relevant
    to recruitment and vetting processes;

Hmm. If i can see it and i'm not relevant i'm not sure this is being complied with.

Now, which one of us is gonna contact the ICO office first to check all my claims out ?

[SunShineCleaning]

This seems a very haphazard website and a good example of how not to do things correctly.
http://www.laneswindowcleaning.com/

There is a blanket method statement and risk assesment policy on offer..........
http://www.laneswindowcleaning.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/LanesMethodStatement.pdf


I just love this. Its designed to look professional. It just smacks incompetence. If a reliance on a blanket policy is the method then it suggests a thorough method statement and risk assesment will not take place and there will be a reliance upon this blanket statement. So basically nothing will be done to assess an individual risk other than refer to this document. Great start !!! It gets better. 

CRB check, now known as a DBS disclosure (Disclosure and Barring Service)
http://www.laneswindowcleaning.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/LanesCRB.pdf

It suggests that although Lanes has been going since 2003 (according to the website) the CRB check has been due to an application for employment this year, to someone else 
 Further to that this 'confidential' information which should be kept secure and only available to concerned parties seems to break every rule of the CRB guidance. Lets see what the guidance says........
1. Have a written policy on the secure handling of Disclosure information which, in the case of Umbrella
  Bodies, should be made available to their clients;

Not seen one of them, may be available though.

2. Store Disclosure information securely;

Doesn't appear secure, as per link above. It seems freely available to the public.

4. Ensure that no reproductions of the Disclosure or its content are made, including photocopies or
  scanned images, unless with the prior agreement of the CRB or as a result of a stipulated
 requirement relating to the e-channel service;

I've no idea if permission was obtained.

5. Only share Disclosure information with relevant persons in the course of their specific duties relevant
    to recruitment and vetting processes;

Hmm. If i can see it and i'm not relevant i'm not sure this is being complied with.

Now, which one of us is gonna contact the ICO office first to check all my claims out ?

I'm sure you mean well but this isnt really the way to do it.

[PoleKing]

Thanks cleanClear.
I'm a window cleaner-not a web guy. Suggestions welcome though.
Method statement-no matter where the job is-I use the same method, if any specifics are needed then they will get done as needed.
CRB-(DBS) yes, RE-done this year, they should only last 3 years at most.
Break a 'rule' of guidance? It's guidance-not a rule. It's easier to direct a customer to the website than forward documents to each individual.
The disclosure information is for the body asking for the CRB, not me. If I want to tell the entire world that I have no criminal convictions, I am legally allowed.
4-you are spot on-you have no idea.
5-again, you are not relevant.

Thanks for your interest.


www.laneswindowcleaning.com Rutland

[PoleKing]

Thanks sunshine

www.laneswindowcleaning.com Rutland

[SunShineCleaning]

No problem.

I didn't read the RAMS but on mine I use a couple of phrases which are something like.
"A dynamic risk assesment will be carried out before work commences"
This means that you look at the risks anew before you start in addition to the written one as things change all the time.

Now I cant remember what the second one was...

[stuart mc]

cleancare, do you know the saying "mind your own business" what odds is it to you how anothers website looks

[CleanClear]

I'll check with the ICO myself, if its ok then i'll use it myself. If its not i'll let you know. It  seems only fair that if we are going to use CRB as a tool to gain work over a competitor that it is indeed used correctly and not misused. If it was misused then that itself would make it a joke.

[CleanClear]

cleancare, do you know the saying "mind your own business" what odds is it to you how anothers website looks

Its cleanclear Stu, 'cleanclear'. Not cleancare. I'll tell you why it matters, when people flout the law to make themselves look more law abiding i find it morally wrong (aside from the legal aspect). So when you break the law to show information you shouldn't in order to tell people you are law abiding it sticks in my throat. But thats just me. And i'm entitled to say what i like about it.
 And when people post a bogus method statement and risk assesment without seeing a job, i think i'm correct to point it out as bogus. Which it is.

[PoleKing]

Why the vitriol for me and my site?
The CRB was actually originally gained because I used to lecture/teach. But it helped me gain more work when I started cleaning educational premises even though anyone asking for a CRB is legally obliged to pay for the check. Hence the 'employed' part.
As for gaining work over a competitor, it's not used like that.
Work is gained on a number of factors-dotting the i's and crossing the T's of red tape and beurocracy are the last things to be sorted-long after the job has been 'awarded'- in my experience of jobs that require CRB's.
In case you're wondering, I'm still using CRB rather than DBS bEcause when my CRB was carried out it was a CRB and it was only 21 days ago that CRB changed to DBS and as such, no DBS have been issued yet to my knowledge.

Why have you not posted your site?

www.laneswindowcleaning.com Rutland

[PoleKing]

Au shine-just looked at your site, nice!
We went walking in Hathersage this summer, went to Bluejohn cave (or something) very nice part of the world to be working in!
All the best, Darren

[CleanClear]

Why the vitriol for me and my site?

I don't have any vitriol for you and your site, i'm just pointing out the errors of it. Finding or seeing your site wasn't hard because you advertise it in every post you make.

The CRB was actually originally gained because I used to lecture/teach. But it helped me gain more work when I started cleaning educational premises even though anyone asking for a CRB is legally obliged to pay for the check. Hence the 'employed' part.

I fully understamd how CRB works.

As for gaining work over a competitor, it's not used like that.
Work is gained on a number of factors-dotting the i's and crossing the T's of red tape and beurocracy are the last things to be sorted-long after the job has been 'awarded'- in my experience of jobs that require CRB's.

If a job requires a CRB then they need to do it and not rely on what you replicate to them, so it seems superflouous to advertise your self as 'crb checked' .

In case you're wondering, I'm still using CRB rather than DBS bEcause when my CRB was carried out it was a CRB and it was only 21 days ago that CRB changed to DBS and as such, no DBS have been issued yet to my knowledge.

I wasn't wondering.

Why have you not posted your site?

I didn't want anyone nitpicking mine so i never posted it.

www.laneswindowcleaning.com Rutland
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[stuart mc]

cleancare, do you know the saying "mind your own business" what odds is it to you how anothers website looks

Its cleanclear Stu, 'cleanclear'. Not cleancare. I'll tell you why it matters, when people flout the law to make themselves look more law abiding i find it morally wrong (aside from the legal aspect). So when you break the law to show information you shouldn't in order to tell people you are law abiding it sticks in my throat. But thats just me. And i'm entitled to say what i like about it.
 And when people post a bogus method statement and risk assesment without seeing a job, i think i'm correct to point it out as bogus. Which it is.

thanks for clearing up your name, mine is Stuart not Stu thanks as far as I can see it is just an example of his method statement and risk assessment, and an individual one would be given to the client, as far as the legality's of CRB I don't know but to be honest he is to far away from me even to worry about it he is fair distance from you as far as I can see as well.

but if you feel he is breaking a law in displaying something and you are concerned for him why not just send a private message via his website instead of publicly trying to show him up. I don't get your gripe with him.

ps looked at your website and I can't believe you use a karcher for internal glass and do domestic cleaning for £9 a hour but I wouldn't dare slate you for it

[PoleKing]

Throwing stones while your own 'glasshouse' is well hidden. Each to their own.
You understand CRB-I'll sleep we'll tonight.
It is superfluous but knowing I have it helps some customers.
Sorry to have assumed you were able to wonder.
See first sentence.
If I ever make a wrong turn and unfortunately end up in Merseyside, I'll make sure to not pop in for a brew.
Good night and god bless.

www.laneswindowcleaning.com Rutland

[PoleKing]

Fair play Stuart! How did you find CleanClaire's website?
£9p/h?! No wonder you're aggy! Claire, do you wanna borrow a tenner?

[CleanClear]

ps looked at your website and I can't believe you use a karcher for internal glass and do domestic cleaning for £9 a hour but I wouldn't dare slate you for it

Ssshhh!!!!! Did you see the CRB check bit ? But to be correct its not my website and you'll find the bloke that it is is called Gary. My names Mike .    You'll have to look harder for mine. Mine doesn't do domestic cleaning. I'm CRB checked too. Oh, mine reads like a dictionary, but i never mention that bit. But i am CRB checked and could say just so...but i don't. Look, its either right or its wrong. Legally producing your crb docs on a website is illegal, thats not guidance, thats a fact. Producing a method statement and risk assesment on your website whilst not illegal is not worth the screen its written on, its worthless. I'm just pointing out the futility and illegality of such actions for the greater good of window cleaning and the whole trade in general. I'm a good guy like that.
 So in summary we have what looks like a legit method statement and risk assesment backed up with a CRB check and on face value you'd think everything is top job. The actual fact is that is all a sham and a con.
 There is no such thing as a blanket method statement/risk assesment with out seeing the work, there is no such thing as CRB checked unless YOU check them. Its a swizz. If it looks like a duck, swims like one and quacks then its a duck. That page is a technical swizz, designed to over rate the operators qualifications.

[CleanClear]

Fair play Stuart! How did you find CleanClaire's website?
£9p/h?! No wonder you're aggy! Claire, do you wanna borrow a tenner?

He never found my website.  HTH's.

[PoleKing]

Sorry Claire.
Ill wait for SWAT to come knocking.

[Dora Jarr]

Do the Rutles live near you?

[PoleKing]

Just had to google that!
I'm 30-wasn't born then.
No, they can't afford to live near me.

[PoleKing]

All the best Witt hat sweetheart.