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Re: water temprature
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2006, 12:58:17 am »
Thanks for all the answers, rather alot of difference from cold to 90c, with regard to solutions I understood from Nick that they work better hot, as I thought did all chemicals apart from ultimate master and enzimes which as was said have a limit, so was very supprised some people use no heat at all. You learn something new everyday :) mmmmmmmm  intresting what some sellers of these chem and machines say to people, one day its buy our machine with no heat its the way forward in cleaning  with our chems no need for heat but i want heat !!  thats ok here u go we supply £500 heaters to go with our no heat needed chems, but u said its the way forward in cleaning no heat on machines no heat chems ? are sir but that was before u said u was going to buy a machine from someone else with heaters built in and chems that need heat, so u telling me heat cleans better now? or cold? or is it just the machines u hav got  not capable of having built in heaters and u hav shed loads of no heat chems to shift? or am i just another gullible punter ::)

Art

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Re: water temprature
« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2006, 01:01:35 am »
Thanks for all the answers, rather alot of difference from cold to 90c, with regard to solutions I understood from Nick that they work better hot, as I thought did all chemicals apart from ultimate master and enzimes which as was said have a limit, so was very supprised some people use no heat at all. You learn something new everyday :) mmmmmmmm  intresting what some sellers of these chem and machines say to people, one day its buy our machine with no heat its the way forward in cleaning  with our chems no need for heat but i want heat !!  thats ok here u go we supply £500 heaters to go with our no heat needed chems, but u said its the way forward in cleaning no heat on machines no heat chems ? are sir but that was before u said u was going to buy a machine from someone else with heaters built in and chems that need heat, so u telling me heat cleans better now? or cold? or is it just the machines u hav got  not capable of having built in heaters and u hav shed loads of no heat chems to shift? or am i just another gullible punter ::)

Your at it again, gary  ;D ;D

Alan Brooker. Aqualink Carpet Care

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Re: water temprature
« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2006, 09:12:17 am »
could be wrong but its similar to what doug said,  ;)

water at 14 degrees has twice the suffaction rate as water at 0 and so every 14 degrees it's grows exponentially  8)

James

Um,... Isn't water at 0 degrees Ice? ;D

I've currently got full Ashby's V2 ninja kit. Mental amounts of heat. Just dont use it much these days since having fully trained. An educated cleaner realizes that it's not all about heat :).
I'm considering selling all my Ashby's kit and changing over to cfr. Massive airflow and most households have water approaching 60 degrees so why have additional heating system. I've tried cfr's claims about cold water with their tools ... and it works. I agree hot water will give drying times a boost so i'll use hot water from the tap if it's there.

Doug have you actually tried cfr tooling?

Regards
Alan
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Understand how and why and you'll produce great results.

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Doug Holloway

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Re: water temprature
« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2006, 09:38:47 am »
Hi Alan,

No I have nottried CFR but would like to .

Water at 0c will still evapourate but very slowly.

Cheers

Doug

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Re: water temprature
« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2006, 10:12:47 am »
alan of aqualink do you live in wallington or nearby??
NCCA   IICRC


name peter reed

Alan Brooker. Aqualink Carpet Care

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Re: water temprature
« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2006, 01:34:36 pm »
not far, why do you ask?

Alan
Experience does not qualify as Knowledge and Understanding.
Understand how and why and you'll produce great results.

IICRC, Woolsafe, Fenice & LTT trained.
Member of Eco Carpet Care, NCCA & Woolsafe.

BRSL

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Re: water temprature
« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2006, 01:23:09 pm »
Alan I believe that at some altitudes water will boil at 20 degrees, and who says they havent got carpet in the himalayas lol  ;D ;D

James
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Doug Holloway

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Re: water temprature
« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2006, 01:49:42 pm »
James,

Thats why you cannot make a cup of tea on Everest as the air pressure is so low ,  the water will boil before it gets warm. :o

Hot water will evapourate faster than cold water because the molecules have more energy , are moving faster and can therefore break out from the various bonds which are holding them.

This is scientific fact and as much as some manufacturers may like to contadict it , it remains fact ;)

Being a sad git I found water chemistry really interesting , afterall with a low molecular weight it should be a gas.

cheers

Doug

Alan Brooker. Aqualink Carpet Care

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Re: water temprature
« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2006, 04:10:31 pm »
Despite all the bickering ;D Your argument is so simple it's bombproof. So yes I will use hot tap water in my machine without the need for a heater using microsplitters that dont require heat and cfr equipment that doesn't need heat ;D.
So purely for drying purposes i'll use hot tap water ;D

Regards
Alan
Experience does not qualify as Knowledge and Understanding.
Understand how and why and you'll produce great results.

IICRC, Woolsafe, Fenice & LTT trained.
Member of Eco Carpet Care, NCCA & Woolsafe.

Doug Holloway

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Re: water temprature
« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2006, 04:20:35 pm »
Alan,

I think the MS manufacturers recommend applying them warm.

Cheers

Doug

BRSL

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Re: water temprature
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2006, 06:35:34 pm »
oooh Doug your going to go and wind the misis up now were thinking of doing the base camp of everest next year and she aint a happy bunny if she cant have her warm tea lol

James
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Kind regards James C