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md_cleaning

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water temprature
« on: February 08, 2006, 02:58:04 pm »
What temprature do you heat your water? Mine is 60 for synthetic and 40 for wool, but reading up lately am wondering if I should go higher and what about upholstery?
Dave

md_cleaning

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Re: water temprature
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2006, 04:19:35 pm »
Is that on everything Nick?

John Kelly

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Re: water temprature
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2006, 04:22:36 pm »
By the time your water travels through the hose, out of the jets and onto the carpet it has lost a lot of its heat. 40 degrees in the tank is probably 20-30 at the face

stevegunn

Re: water temprature
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2006, 04:29:16 pm »
When using microsplitters hot or cold they still work well.

Doug Holloway

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Re: water temprature
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2006, 04:54:02 pm »
Dave ,

As John has pointed out you will lose a lot of heat by the time the water hits the carpet.

I will go as high as 90c tank temp on really trashed carpets but would typically be between 60 - 70.

If using Ultimate master or MS I will use about 50c.

Cheers

Doug

nick p

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Re: water temprature
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2006, 10:43:52 pm »
hi dave

yes i use this temp on most things

cheers nick p

Alan Brooker. Aqualink Carpet Care

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Re: water temprature
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2006, 11:04:40 pm »
I'm having a serious rethink about the need for heat. I've bought a cfr tool and cleaned a really grubby 5x8 100% wool oriental rug with cold water after microsplitting. Cleaning results - best yet!!! Drying time - within a couple of hours. Same as using heat. BUT I bet you wouldn't use your hand tool at 400psi with heat and match the cfr tool drying time. I'm considering TOTALLY retooling.

Alan
Experience does not qualify as Knowledge and Understanding.
Understand how and why and you'll produce great results.

IICRC, Woolsafe, Fenice & LTT trained.
Member of Eco Carpet Care, NCCA & Woolsafe.

Mark Roberts

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Re: water temprature
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2006, 11:12:47 pm »
Not used heat for years.

Only use is when I need to sanatise.

Agree the cfr tools tools are great, the 3 and 5inch i would not be without.

Alan Brooker. Aqualink Carpet Care

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Re: water temprature
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2006, 11:36:44 pm »
And if you want to talk sanitization the ozone adaption 'has it in the bag' so to speak!
Experience does not qualify as Knowledge and Understanding.
Understand how and why and you'll produce great results.

IICRC, Woolsafe, Fenice & LTT trained.
Member of Eco Carpet Care, NCCA & Woolsafe.

ABLECLEAN

Re: water temprature
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2006, 12:53:51 am »
How do the cfr tools work guys?

cleaning co

Re: water temprature
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2006, 05:04:47 am »
i cleaned a sofa yesterday really bad dogs hav been using it as a bed, high heat of my v2 heater made easy work of it , u hav to use on of these to c the diff it makes to your cleaning !!! i couldnt clean with out it now and they dry alot faster with high tempt  it hardly felt damp even at 100ft u can get them so hot u hav to hold them by the plastic cuff u cant touch the metal , try washing your dirty plates in cold water then try very hot water not much diff is there ?

Alan Brooker. Aqualink Carpet Care

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Re: water temprature
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2006, 10:57:57 am »
Im confused...are you agreeing with me about the cold water? :o ;D

Alan
Experience does not qualify as Knowledge and Understanding.
Understand how and why and you'll produce great results.

IICRC, Woolsafe, Fenice & LTT trained.
Member of Eco Carpet Care, NCCA & Woolsafe.

Matt Read

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Re: water temprature
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2006, 07:31:49 pm »
heat is better for the majority of cleaning,i agree with cleaning co.,its quicker drying and easier work with a high temp.
Matt

Doug Holloway

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Re: water temprature
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2006, 08:10:55 am »
Hi Guys,

A bit of science.

Heat speeds up reactions including wetting , emulsification in fact everything.

Heat diisolves faster , some dirt / grease will be soluble in water without detergents etc and this solubility will increase with temp .

Heat will melt some grease allowing it to be removed.

Hot water dries quiker , try putting a saucer of hot water next to a saucer of cold water and watch what happens.

Conclusion

Heat cleans better. ;)

Cheers

Doug

John Kelly

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Re: water temprature
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2006, 09:32:15 am »
I'm with you Doug, maybe I'm just set in my ways.
I remember a while ago there was something came out designed to clean dishes with cold water. I gave it a whirl and even though they appeared to be clean something in my psychi just wouldn't accept it.
Water has to reach a certain temperature before it starts evaporating. If a wet carpet is cold it is a while before that moisture starts to leave it. If you can give it a head start it will dry quicker.
Using the CFR tool is all about airflow and using warm water would create even faster drying.

cleaning co

Re: water temprature
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2006, 10:49:52 am »
well said that man doug ;D

BRSL

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Re: water temprature
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2006, 11:02:19 am »
could be wrong but its similar to what doug said,  ;)

water at 14 degrees has twice the suffaction rate as water at 0 and so every 14 degrees it's grows exponentially  8)

James
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E - james@brsl.co.nz

Kind regards James C

Doug Holloway

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Re: water temprature
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2006, 12:55:22 pm »
Hi Guys,

Water temperature is not the only thing which affects drying or cleaning,  but when a manufacturer claims to have rewritten the rules of physics , they haven't :o

Greater agitation , airflow, dwell time, chemical composition  etc will all affect cleaning rates , but if all other things remain the same increasing temp will increase cleaning power.

There are occaisions when the chemical is designed to work in a specific temp range e.g Ultimate master or enzyme based products where performance will drop once you go over a certain temperature.

A biological washing powder will contain enzymes which work in differnt temp ranges so it is versatile enough to clean in different situations.

Cheers

Doug


md_cleaning

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Re: water temprature
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2006, 07:30:12 pm »
Thanks for all the answers, rather alot of difference from cold to 90c, with regard to solutions I understood from Nick that they work better hot, as I thought did all chemicals apart from ultimate master and enzimes which as was said have a limit, so was very supprised some people use no heat at all. You learn something new everyday :)
Dave

mark_lane

Re: water temprature
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2006, 09:20:45 pm »
When using m/s heat is not such an issue