[PAUL ERITH]

Just had a £20 xmas tip paid direct into my business account   

I'm just wondering because as my business grows so will the amount of people paying by bacs are tips taxable 

Paul

[Steve Sed]

Yes. I think. 

[AuRavelling79]

It's a good question -

Regular tips are taxable - like your hairdressers and waiters and waitresses - Annual bonuses from a company are too.

Is it an Xmas gift from a custy? Or is it a taxable tip? Dunno?

See the next ten posts for fifteen different opinions!  

[Steve Sed]

No. But don't quote me. 

[gewindows]

Tips?

[PAUL ERITH]

EIM07900 - Employment income: tips and gratuities: troncs
Section 62 ITEPA 2003

Tips and gratuities received by taxi drivers, postmen, hairdressers, waiters, etc, in respect of services they have provided are taxable as earnings within Section 62 ITEPA 2003 (see generally EIM00520 onwards).

In Calvert v Wainwright (27TC475) a taxi driver employed by a taxi hire company was held to be chargeable in respect of tips he received. Atkinson J said:

    “Tips received by a man as a reward for services rendered, voluntary gifts made by people other than the employers, are assessable to tax as part of the profits arising out of the employment if given in the ordinary way as a reward for services.”

An employee may claim their tips are not chargeable because they are 'personal gifts'. But when a tip is given to an employee personally that only means it is given to them for their own benefit and not for that of the employer. It is only a gift that is given on personal grounds that is not chargeable. That is because it is not then 'from the employment' (see EIM01450 and EIM01460).

A tip taking the form of goods will not qualify for exemption under Section 324 because it is a payment in recognition of services performed (see EIM21715).
Troncs

In the catering industry, tips are sometimes distributed by a “troncmaster”, who is responsible for operating PAYE. Detailed guidance on troncs is provided in the PAYE Online Manual (POM) - search for “Tips, Gratuities, Service Charges And Troncs “.


Reading this from the hmrc site im still confused  

Paul

[Steve Sed]

Tips?

Yeah, I don't get many. I like it that way.

[SunShineCleaning]

I think it is quite clear. Any money received from customers plus the value of gifts is all taxable. The £10 tip plus the £10 bottle of wine are taxable. Whether people do so is another matter.

[Ian101]

one word answer = YES .............. unfortunately

Ive had  a £10 job pay £20 into my account so not sure if its a tip or a pre payment 

[PAUL ERITH]

I think it is quite clear. Any money received from customers plus the value of gifts is all taxable. The £10 tip plus the £10 bottle of wine are taxable. Whether people do so is another matter.

Where do i send the 20% of beer received then 

Paul

[Ian101]

I think it is quite clear. Any money received from customers plus the value of gifts is all taxable. The £10 tip plus the £10 bottle of wine are taxable. Whether people do so is another matter.

Where do i send the 20% of beer received then 

Paul

just drop 20% of the box into the local HMRC but please take a video camera with you when you do .... I feel a wind up coming on at the Wrexham HMRC office 

[colin purewater]

Yes you are!

This is why I don't except any   

[Simon@ Clearview contractors]

I'm really not sure about this...after reading the hmrc statement.  In my view you could accept your monthly payment for services rendered then...the tip may be accepted as a one-off personal gift. I.e. get youselves a beer or get the lads a beer or even put this towards the kids crhistmas...

I'm aware there is a gift tax but am unsure what level it kicks in at, i'd assume it's 4 figures though.

Simon

[G Griffin]

I got a bottle of wine as a Chrimbo tip and ended up in the red  .

[SunShineCleaning]

I think it is quite clear. Any money received from customers plus the value of gifts is all taxable. The £10 tip plus the £10 bottle of wine are taxable. Whether people do so is another matter.

Where do i send the 20% of beer received then 

Paul

At the end of your tax year you add it to your income.
So if your pretax profit is £30,000 plus you receive £1,000 cash tips and 10 bottles of whiskey worth £150 then your actual pretax profit is £31,150

[SunShineCleaning]

I'm really not sure about this...after reading the hmrc statement.  In my view you could accept your monthly payment for services rendered then...the tip may be accepted as a one-off personal gift. I.e. get youselves a beer or get the lads a beer or even put this towards the kids crhistmas...

I'm aware there is a gift tax but am unsure what level it kicks in at, i'd assume it's 4 figures though.

Simon

If that was the case you could then 'charge' £1 per customer plus annual 'gift' of £200 for each customer!

[Simon@ Clearview contractors]

I'm really not sure about this...after reading the hmrc statement.  In my view you could accept your monthly payment for services rendered then...the tip may be accepted as a one-off personal gift. I.e. get youselves a beer or get the lads a beer or even put this towards the kids crhistmas...

I'm aware there is a gift tax but am unsure what level it kicks in at, i'd assume it's 4 figures though.

Simon

If that was the case you could then 'charge' £1 per customer plus annual 'gift' of £200 for each customer!

Dissagree, that would be have to be factored into your end of year.

All I was trying tosay is that if a customer says get the lads a beer with this, then going off the hmrc statement it is tax free.

[AshWhite]

It says gifts given on 'personal grounds' are not taxable. Giving you money to buy beers is not personal grounds, it is given in their capacity as your window cleaning customer.

If your mate buys a round down the pub, that's different.

[SunShineCleaning]

It is still taxable as it is from a customer as part of monies from the customer.

[PAUL ERITH]

What about if i went and bought £20 worth of beer with the money as a bonus for working so hard  

Would that be ok or not, i would think not as im selfemployed but if i was ltd  

Paul