[Scrimble]

didnt take long for dazmond to pipe up, maybe up north you cant afford the £1 extra per day of gas,

i've bought the same heater as you lee, waiting for it to be delivered, not happy with being forced to use cold for a few days especially when i really need to the temp here is currently zero

let all the cold users slate it, ignorance IMO

diesel heaters are a waste of money, only advantage is the companys who sell them make tonnes of money,

[Window Washers]

didnt take long for dazmond to pipe up, maybe up north you cant afford the £1 extra per day of gas,

i've bought the same heater as you lee, waiting for it to be delivered, not happy with being forced to use cold for a few days especially when i really need to the temp here is currently zero

let all the cold users slate it, ignorance IMO

diesel heaters are a waste of money, only advantage is the companys who sell them make tonnes of money,

as your using hot, could you answer my question ? I am not a hater by the way I am looking to do this myself so very interested to find out.

[steeley]

Everyone seems to smooth over the fact you are carrying a gas bottle and carbon monoxide release in the back of your van, if you happen to be involved in a road accident whats the point in a crash tested system if you have a gas bottle in van strapped in, my guess is your van will explode on impact or burst in to flames the flash level of lpg is a lot higher than diesel hence why diesel heaters can be the only safe method of heating your water except immersion heaters but then if your keeping all the water warm you then need to consider leigonella bacteria! So a point of use diesel in my opinion is the only safe method. What about the carbon monoxide some people dont flue their system this will cause a build up of the low lying gas even if your van doors are open!! The only safe gas operated heated system is probably a concept 20 one as they have shut off valves and a proer gas conversion

[Nameless Drudge]

When i weighed everything up i realised i`d need to use less physical energy to clean and i was happy to accept there was a cost to that.The cost is debatable due to increased speed though.
  Then a close look at what was out there and the economics suggested Fogwash types win hands down and that was adopting a dump and get 2 more policy as a breakdown strategy!

[Lee Pryor]

I have bought proper flue kits to go through the roof of the vans. Also going to buy carbon monoxide detectors for the van cabs. everything will be secured properly in the back. I dont see that a crash is going to make everything explode. my vans pootle along residential streets all day long. I doubt they see 40mph very often

[Window Washers]

I have bought proper flue kits to go through the roof of the vans. Also going to buy carbon monoxide detectors for the van cabs. everything will be secured properly in the back. I dont see that a crash is going to make everything explode. my vans pootle along residential streets all day long. I doubt they see 40mph very often

looking forward to the pictures

[Lee Pryor]

going to do  a detailed video of this and our leaflet campaign results for the year in the next week or so

[dd]

I don't think they have missed a trick. I think diesel installs are the trick.

I wish I'd have gone gas now as my webasto pf heater cost over 2k and is dead within 4 hours each day. Already replaced 2 batteries in as many years and I barely use it.

I think the trick is, the big companies are raking it in from these hot installs.

Totally agree. Really disappointed with my PF diesel heater. Big waste of money IMO. Ironic thing is I bought it because a few people on this forum raved about it.

Believe I was misled by PF because I specifically asked if the batteries would be up to the job and they really are not.

You need a decent auto charger, i have no probs with ours. I run two batteries crossed over. With regards to the heat, can you not adjust the temp on the PF set ups?

I have it adjusted to the hottest setting but water only stays hot on a very low flow rate (less than 1l/min) which in turn slows down the time it takes to clean and rinse.

The system supplied by PF was fitted with 2 85amp leisure batteries which also supply power for the pump (supply for pole), I have a split charge relay to the 2 batteries and also charge when I get home using an intelligent charger. There are other issues surrounding this but I do not want to write an essay.

Bottom line - seriously unimpressed with PF especially as I was worried and asked if the batteries were up to it. Ideally need to add another battery to set-up but the van is already overloaded with the extra weight meaning I do not fill water tank right up anymore.

[concept]

I have bought proper flue kits to go through the roof of the vans. Also going to buy carbon monoxide detectors for the van cabs. everything will be secured properly in the back. I dont see that a crash is going to make everything explode. my vans pootle along residential streets all day long. I doubt they see 40mph very often

How much of an increase in insurance premium have you seen?

[trevor perry]

I don't think they have missed a trick. I think diesel installs are the trick.

I wish I'd have gone gas now as my webasto pf heater cost over 2k and is dead within 4 hours each day. Already replaced 2 batteries in as many years and I barely use it.

I think the trick is, the big companies are raking it in from these hot installs.

Totally agree. Really disappointed with my PF diesel heater. Big waste of money IMO. Ironic thing is I bought it because a few people on this forum raved about it.

Believe I was misled by PF because I specifically asked if the batteries would be up to the job and they really are not.

You need a decent auto charger, i have no probs with ours. I run two batteries crossed over. With regards to the heat, can you not adjust the temp on the PF set ups?

I have it adjusted to the hottest setting but water only stays hot on a very low flow rate (less than 1l/min) which in turn slows down the time it takes to clean and rinse.

The system supplied by PF was fitted with 2 85amp leisure batteries which also supply power for the pump (supply for pole), I have a split charge relay to the 2 batteries and also charge when I get home using an intelligent charger. There are other issues surrounding this but I do not want to write an essay.

Bottom line - seriously unimpressed with PF especially as I was worried and asked if the batteries were up to it. Ideally need to add another battery to set-up but the van is already overloaded with the extra weight meaning I do not fill water tank right up anymore.

 my purefreedom set up has been excellent had it just under 3 years and only last month changed one of the batteries, mine came with two 110 amp batteries, the water gets really hot at vehicle port even when using two poles but obviously if running 100 metres of hose over cold ground it is only look warm when it reaches the pole this would happen no matter what heater you use, i can understand people using the lpg heaters as they are a lot cheaper but i would make sure for the extra cost it is fit proper with flue etc like Lee is intending to do.

[LBWCS]

going to do  a detailed video of this and our leaflet campaign results for the year in the next week or so

look forward to that Lee

[steven ainger]

ive been using lpg water heaters for over 4 yrs, ive never had a problem with them.
ive informed my van insurance company, with no increased premium, & they said it was ok as long as it was being used for work purposes. ??
i use the heater on every job all year round, this time of year the water is only luke warm, does it help the clean, not really, but it makes the hose nice & supple & easier to use & makes your working day less of a hassle.
summer time i turn the heat up & it does help to clean sun baked bird poo, bee spots, con roofs gutters fascias etc.
i have a refillable lpg tank ( see bottom right of photo ) and for what it costs to run £10 per week is well worth it.

[LBWCS]

ive been using lpg water heaters for over 4 yrs, ive never had a problem with them.
ive informed my van insurance company, with no increased premium, & they said it was ok as long as it was being used for work purposes. ??
i use the heater on every job all year round, this time of year the water is only luke warm, does it help the clean, not really, but it makes the hose nice & supple & easier to use & makes your working day less of a hassle.
summer time i turn the heat up & it does help to clean sun baked bird poo, bee spots, con roofs gutters fascias etc.
i have a refillable lpg tank ( see bottom right of photo ) and for what it costs to run £10 per week is well worth it.

Great set up! Couple of questions-what do you think of the thermobore hose? And what are the ladders in the back? Thinking of some small ladders not sure whether to go telescopic

[steven ainger]

Thermobore is good hose, ive had it since its realease, nearly 1 year ?? not had a problem so far.
the ladders are little giant pro, they are the only ladder i carry now, great for getting access for flat roofs etc & con roof cleans, you can also straddle gates with them if need be ( do a search for little giant pro ) i done a review with pics a while ago.

[Lee Pryor]

oooo you have the little giant ladders we want! Any good? Also what hose is that please and do you get all these problems with the hose I keep hearing about when using hot

[steven ainger]

i wouldnt be without my l/g ladders, i think they are great. see pics








the hose is thermobore ( gardiners ) im sure you knew that.
the only problem ive had is when using really hot ( hot enough to burn you ) the internal hose connector kept popping of, so i cable tied it on, see pic

[Nameless Drudge]

I have bought proper flue kits to go through the roof of the vans. Also going to buy carbon monoxide detectors for the van cabs. everything will be secured properly in the back. I dont see that a crash is going to make everything explode. my vans pootle along residential streets all day long. I doubt they see 40mph very often

Hello Lee,where did you source the flue kits and the van roof vent?,my van is soaked with condensation at the moment,it runs forward,comes past the bulkhead and drips on my heed.

[steven ainger]

this is what i use mounted on the roof with the flexible flue pipe pushed in the end.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mushroom-vent-chrome-plated-MUS002C-/180372736398?
pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_BoatEquipment_Accessories_SM&hash=item29ff0d898e


but mines not chrome, ita ally

[concept]

Still no-one answers the insurance question

[steven ainger]

ive been using lpg water heaters for over 4 yrs, ive never had a problem with them.
ive informed my van insurance company, with no increased premium, & they said it was ok as long as it was being used for work purposes. ??