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Tony Edwards

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Apprentices
« on: December 02, 2012, 07:14:56 pm »


If I take on an apprentice, will I be able to claim any money back ?

By that i mean his wages etc, if so any idea how much ?

I have a young kid who is 17 who has asked if I would take him on

cheers

britishwill

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Re: Apprentices
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2012, 09:05:22 pm »
This may help?

I got it sent to me when I employed from the job centre.

Dear Employer,
I hope that the advertisement on Job Centre Plus went well and your new employee is settling in?
 
Did you know that your business is entitled to receive government funding to help support the training costs of your new employee?
 
If you would like to find out more just reply to this email.
 
Kind Regards,
 
Alice Townsend | Employer Advisor   
 
Government Funding Team | Planning for Growth…Investing in our Future
Call us on 0845 177 1880 to find out how we can support your business

wfp master

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Re: Apprentices
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2012, 09:09:20 pm »
you mean trainee.? no such thing as a apprentice window cleaner.

john@windows2clean

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Re: Apprentices
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2012, 09:20:56 pm »
I have an apprentice. He is employed as a window cleaner in my business. He is doing a City & Guilds Certificate with the local college. I would class him as a window cleaning apprentice as do his tutors and the college liaison team.

glen parva

Re: Apprentices
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2012, 10:14:05 pm »
I have an apprentice. He is employed as a window cleaner in my business. He is doing a City & Guilds Certificate with the local college. I would class him as a window cleaning apprentice as do his tutors and the college liaison team.

same here

dave0123

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Re: Apprentices
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2012, 11:31:45 pm »
city & guids in what
Dave.

Tom White

Re: Apprentices
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2012, 11:36:41 pm »
I've just done a quick google and it looks like there is an employer's grant, but you have to employ at least 1000 people first:



http://www.apprenticeships.org.uk/Employers.aspx

But that was only a quick google; look into it deeper.

zeusweiler

Re: Apprentices
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2012, 01:06:17 am »
Lol. Apprentice window cleaner!. How many years till were all time served then. How many years on average does it take to become a window cleaner.

As I understand you can't trade as a joiner plumber electrician etc till your time served. This is not the case with window cleaning no formal qualifications required. Start up and off you go. I'm sure my boss employed some new guys this year and guess what there already window cleaners.

I do admit there is an element of skill and knowledge/experience required to be a good windy but its not rocket science and anyone can do it.

You don't get junkies posing as sparkies during the summer.

I know everybody is protective of there job. But in all honesty that's all it is a manual job. And if you are studying at college to do this crap in winter then you don't have much of an ambition or life. Has nobody told him yet that he could just buy a van and take all your work no need for college. He might end up doing it anyways.

john@windows2clean

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Re: Apprentices
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2012, 07:34:16 am »
Just the sort or replies I expect here.  If the OP would like info please PM.

Tony Edwards

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Re: Apprentices
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2012, 10:11:22 am »
Just the sort or replies I expect here.  If the OP would like info please PM.

Hi John


Do you have an email address ?
thanks

Tony

Window Washers

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Re: Apprentices
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2012, 10:18:51 am »
Lol. Apprentice window cleaner!. How many years till were all time served then. How many years on average does it take to become a window cleaner.

As I understand you can't trade as a joiner plumber electrician etc till your time served. This is not the case with window cleaning no formal qualifications required. Start up and off you go. I'm sure my boss employed some new guys this year and guess what there already window cleaners.

I do admit there is an element of skill and knowledge/experience required to be a good windy but its not rocket science and anyone can do it.

You don't get junkies posing as sparkies during the summer.

I know everybody is protective of there job. But in all honesty that's all it is a manual job. And if you are studying at college to do this crap in winter then you don't have much of an ambition or life. Has nobody told him yet that he could just buy a van and take all your work no need for college. He might end up doing it anyways.
plumbing is not rocket science either anyone can learn that too, with no formal qualifications. So we as window cleaners are no different.

I geniuinly could teach an apprentice a lot.

The point is so many aspects are easy, only if you know how. Very hard if you dont.

Tony any chance you could copy me in on that email please design@windowwashers.co.uk
If your not willing to learn, No one can help you, If you are determined to learn, No one can stop you ;)

wfp master

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Re: Apprentices
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2012, 11:20:44 am »
I have an apprentice. He is employed as a window cleaner in my business. He is doing a City & Guilds Certificate with the local college. I would class him as a window cleaning apprentice as do his tutors and the college liaison team.
did you. do an apprenticship in window cleaning.

C o z y

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Re: Apprentices
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2012, 11:28:40 am »
How long does this apprenticeship take then? What's the qualification when he finishes? Will it make a difference to is wages when he goes to an employer, if so by how much? Is this as far as the guys ambition goes? Does he need the qualification?

How do you feel about training him if he went solo and was in your area?
No still don't understand, I must be thick

wfp master

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Re: Apprentices
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2012, 11:34:45 am »
has anyone ever been to college and done a window cleaning
apprenticeship?how long did the course last until you were out your time?
are you now a time served window cleaner? I cant see any courses for apprentice window cleaners anywhere.

DG Cleaning

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Re: Apprentices
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2012, 11:42:06 am »
What does the apprentice learn after the first day then. Get a grip you lot use some common sense don't ask the tax payer to fork out for your staff's wages. Window cleanings easy anyone with half a brain can pick it up in no time at all.

DG Cleaning

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Re: Apprentices
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2012, 11:56:30 am »
Let's not compare plumbing to window cleaning. Yes you don't need formal qualifications to call yourself a plumber but being a plumber is a much more technical discipline than cleaning windows.

wfp master

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Re: Apprentices
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2012, 12:03:32 pm »
people trying to be something they are not saying they have apprentices no you dont you have a employee.eg a helper worker.

rosskesava

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Re: Apprentices
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2012, 12:10:21 pm »
It's like so many things now. Take something straight forwards and simple, apply words to it that add spin and are in essence pretty meaningless and hey presto, 'employ young person as window cleaner' becomes 'an apprenticeship'.

I did an engineering apprenticeship years ago and it was 5 years of 40 hours a week. The government are doing a pr job by taking something from the past that actually meant something and applying it to the present and to just 'a job'.

Just chant..... Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare, Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. It's beats chanting Tory Tory or Labour Labour.

Window Washers

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Re: Apprentices
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2012, 12:29:27 pm »
Let's not compare plumbing to window cleaning. Yes you don't need formal qualifications to call yourself a plumber but being a plumber is a much more technical discipline than cleaning windows.
I will compare it, because I have a city and guilds in plumbing so I am in a good place to compare the two, both are different skill set
If your not willing to learn, No one can help you, If you are determined to learn, No one can stop you ;)

Tony Edwards

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Re: Apprentices
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2012, 01:24:39 pm »


So can anyone just answer the original question ?