[mark_roberts]

Is it just me or do all the American suppliers sound the same.  Bashing each others products.  Mines better than yours.  I was the first to...................................................

John - And is the height adjustable?

Mark

[Jamie Pearson]

I can't see the sprayborg people advertising at the top of the page being too chuffed at a competitor getting all this free airtime.

...or those doing their best to keep quiet.

[John Geurkink]

I'll give ya this Mark, I am not full of fluff, so I tell you what is, research me and find out if everything I have said isn't right on the mark.

I haven't bashed Hruby/Orbot, I just told you what is...

The handle has several adjustments, I am 6'4" and like it low, others clean with it way up, it is adjustable for preference.

[Craigp]

Is it just me or do all the American suppliers sound the same.  Bashing each others products.  Mines better than yours.  I was the first to...................................................

John - And is the height adjustable?

Mark

Could not agree more Mark, remember Greenie always banging on, used to get on my nerves.

[AshWhite]

John, while I'm sure your machine is a fantastic bit of kit, I can't help but think that your going about approaching this market in the wrong way.
The known and trusted suppliers who frequent this forum are popular for the advice (often unbiased) and expertise they offer, and if it weren't for the fact that they have such good reputations, you wouldn't know they were suppliers at all.
The LM vs HWE debate goes on without it being forced by a (potential) supplier.

[wynne jones]

Is it just me or do all the American suppliers sound the same.  Bashing each others products.  Mines better than yours.  I was the first to...................................................

John - And is the height adjustable?

Mark

Could not agree more Mark, remember Greenie always banging on, used to get on my nerves.

Softly softly catchy monkey with a padding machine.

[Simon Gerrard]

It's the evangelical zeal that irks me, as if we are all ignorant of what's going on in the real carpet cleaning world. Most of us already use encap to some degree or other so know the benefits and drawbacks so don't need to be preached to.

Simon

[John Geurkink]

[bI reckon it's a pretty fair bet that the vast majority of newbies who start with an LM system did so because it was the cheapest option. A few hundred quid and hey presto, you're a carpet cleaner. If LM is all you have seen, or know then what you will see when you clean a carpet is a cleaner carpet, not a clean carpet.
The problem is that operating LM only severely restricts the markets you can operate in. We did a very greasy restaurant yesterday that you wouldn't stand a cat in hells chance of doing with LM. We do tens of thousand of pounds of similar work every year and if we only did LM we wouldn't have that source of revenue and in this economic climate it's not a good idea to exclude yourself from markets that you would otherwise be able to do, if only you had you the equipment.
Most professional carpet cleaners have the means to clean any carpet regardless of the level of soiling, or circumstances and sometimes LM fits the bill, but if you operate on the basis that it is your job to provide your customers with the very best quality then you'd use LM very little, as do I.][/b]

Still sounds more like defending the big purchases to me Simon. JMHO

You have your mind made up, to now knock the guy with something different.

Maybe that is where  we picked up the whole "Simon says" thingy here in the states....

[*Hector*]

Maybe that is where  we picked up the whole "Simon says" thingy here in the states....

[Simon Gerrard]

John,
I don't need to defend the big purchase as you put it. I've had Truck Mounts in all their various forms majority if my thirty six years in the business and have managed to build one of the most successful carpet cleaning businesses in the country. I've done that by providing top quality carpet cleaning to each and every client, large or small and by having the means to clean any carpet in any location, regardless of age or condition. Carpet cleaning is not just about one machine or technique and believing blindly that it and only it can deal with the vast array of carpets that come your way, because to believe that means you will never truly serve your customer interests and sell them short of what they deserve which is top quality carpet cleaning regardless of what you have to do to produce it.
I've been in this business long enough to know that there isn't one piece of machinery, chemical or technique, that takes you from merely surviving to becoming successful, it's your attitude that does that, an attitude that strives to find better ways of doing things, new techniques, new chemicals, so you will have to excuse me for finding it extremely irritating to have someone come along who's trying to say, Hang on there, everything you've learned and know about carpet cleaning is irrelevant, all you need is my machine because it is the future.

Have a nice day

Simon

[John Geurkink]

Got to read the whole post Simon, I never said this is the only way to clean, maybe that is what you want to read, but what I have said is it is a way to skin a cat and skin it well.
It is another approach, not the only approach.
But when you disagree with what the machine will do, and BTW have not used it, your sarcasm comes up.

When you tell me what you do in YOUR business I have no reason to doubt it, and good for you, 36 years and a great business, yet when I explain what we do (38 years and a great business) then it becomes a problem.

I have  had a cimex, 10-12 OP's rotaries, Crb's, Tm, porties and I have a years running each, yet I prefer something "different" from you for "different" reasons.
I do  not understand why that offends you..

I appreciate your being confident in your methods, however so am I.

[Simon Gerrard]

John,
I have to say that I hugely admire people like you, the innovators, the people who strive to find the next step forward and without whom all of us who benefit from those endeavours without raising a finger would not have seen all of the developments within the industry that we all just take for granted. So hats off to you and those like you.
And I do mean that.

Simon

[John Geurkink]

Thank you Simon and I look forward to spirited debates, ones we BOTH can learn from.

John G.