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Simon Gerrard

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Re: stand alone bonnet cleaning
« Reply #60 on: November 22, 2012, 09:01:16 pm »
A mate of mine was a cleaner on a Caravan site he saw an opportunity. Caravan site wanted Carpets dry quick he done a bit of research DF was what was looked into he had a demo bought the gear and Hey Presto  :) i worked for him for a while then bought a setup off him and went my own way  :)

So having researched the industry you deliberately chose DF because you believed it to to be the best for your customers, or just bought the gear of your mate because it was what you were used to?


Simon
To be the best choice for drying time on caravan site at that moment then from me doing the work and seeing how good the results were and learning how to use DF and work with my mate being patchy i bought a setup from him and went my own way and never had a problem with using only Dry fusion.

Depends what you consider a problem.  ;D

Phil @ Extreme Clean

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Re: stand alone bonnet cleaning
« Reply #61 on: November 22, 2012, 09:08:27 pm »
Exactly not encountered any only 2" of shrunk Carpet which i couldn't sort for them ;D
Extreme Clean
Carpets to DRY For!!!!!

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wynne jones

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Re: stand alone bonnet cleaning
« Reply #62 on: November 22, 2012, 09:38:43 pm »
If you only have a hammer everything looks like a nail.

If you only have a rotary, a rotary will clean anything.
It's not expensive, you just can't afford it.

Nigel_W

Re: stand alone bonnet cleaning
« Reply #63 on: November 22, 2012, 09:44:48 pm »
If you only have a hammer everything looks like a nail.

If you only have a rotary, a rotary will clean anything.

Eric Cantona?

gwrightson

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Re: stand alone bonnet cleaning
« Reply #64 on: November 23, 2012, 06:50:00 am »


Hecktor,
No it was not fusion clean ::)   

and i have remebered the company that made it .

Bray chemicals,  cannot find a iota about them .

Geoff
who ever said dont knock before u try ,i never tried dog crap but i know i wouldnt like  haha

John Geurkink

  • Posts: 55
Re: stand alone bonnet cleaning
« Reply #65 on: November 23, 2012, 04:44:01 pm »
Question to the LM cleaners regarding residential carpets. If you had a Truckmount/ portable and a low moisture setup in your van and you came to do a house full of 80/20 cut pile carpet which method would you choose to use and why.

39 years of doing padding with OP, a fews years doing padcapping and the last 6 years doing encap.
Fact is, either encap works or it doesn't, sure it makes a lot of difference HOW you encap as you must actually
strip the fibers of all soils and stickies in order for the process to work correctly. Many machines do not do
an optimal job at this, thus encap in those situation is less than desirable. But for the equipment that effectively
DOES strip soils and stickies for the carpet, then encap in ALL situation does not only work but works very well.

As to greasy restaurants, they too work fine, if you have equipment able to strip the fibers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Iye9tWnzQU&feature=plcp

Nigel_W

Re: stand alone bonnet cleaning
« Reply #66 on: November 23, 2012, 05:52:20 pm »
Hi John,

Thanks for your reply - I did wonder whether anyone would  :)

I don't think you answered my question and anyway I was really hoping a uk based carpet cleaner would respond. However, you did a great job of advertising your own low moisture system.  ::)

Is the Trinity coming over here? It looks like a nice piece of kit for ploughing through low profile man made carpet.

Nigel

*Hector*

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Re: stand alone bonnet cleaning
« Reply #67 on: November 23, 2012, 06:19:30 pm »
Question to the LM cleaners regarding residential carpets. If you had a Truckmount/ portable and a low moisture setup in your van and you came to do a house full of 80/20 cut pile carpet which method would you choose to use and why.

I have host, encap, portable and Truckmount available to use and in nearly all residential circumstances the low moisture would be the last I would choose to use.

Please don't be offended by this - I am genuinely intrigued by this re-ocurring debate. Does it come down to time and therefore price? Encap is very quick and I can see how you can keep the price down for the client?

Nigel



I will answer you Nigel... I would use a variation of the LM method that I use now.... Encap and bonnet it off at the end.... usually using one of the following products... Mpower HD microsplitter and Fusion Clean...

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rycalshaw

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Re: stand alone bonnet cleaning
« Reply #68 on: November 23, 2012, 06:44:30 pm »
interesting hector, do you mean go through the encap process using an encap solution then vaccing then follow that up with a bonnet clean using one of the chemicals mentioned above..

Nigel_W

Re: stand alone bonnet cleaning
« Reply #69 on: November 23, 2012, 08:01:40 pm »



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I will answer you Nigel... I would use a variation of the LM method that I use now.... Encap and bonnet it off at the end.... usually using one of the following products... Mpower HD microsplitter and Fusion Clean...


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Hector

Why do you choose to do that rather than HWE? Do you find it produces better results/ quicker dry/ faster to do? I am interested because I could encap but choose not to because, rightly or wrongly, I don't think it does as good a job.

Interested that you pad off after encap. What is the point of that? If it is an encap chemical surely it should be left to do its thing?


Nigel

Simon Gerrard

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Re: stand alone bonnet cleaning
« Reply #70 on: November 23, 2012, 08:05:36 pm »
John,
An interesting video, trouble is the carpet isn't actually clean, it just looks clean. All of the dirt and grease is still in the carpet and that to me is not acceptable if your a professional 'carpet cleaner.'
The restaurant we did was so greasy that the grease wasn't just on the surface, but  all the way through the pile in the traffic lanes, how would / could encap deal with that?
Don't get me wrong, I like encap in certain situations, but I'm a bit too fond of putting the dirt where is belongs, down the drain to use it across the board when people are paying good money to have their carpet 'cleaned.'

Simon

John Geurkink

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Re: stand alone bonnet cleaning
« Reply #71 on: November 23, 2012, 10:50:04 pm »
I am thinking about it, but am testing the waters a bit...LOL
Question to the LM cleaners regarding residential carpets. If you had a Truckmount/ portable and a low moisture setup in your van and you came to do a house full of 80/20 cut pile carpet which method would you choose to use and why.

I have host, encap, portable and Truckmount available to use and in nearly all residential circumstances the low moisture would be the last I would choose to use.

Please don't be offended by this - I am genuinely intrigued by this re-ocurring debate. Does it come down to time and therefore price? Encap is very quick and I can see how you can keep the price down for the client?



I would op, and I am sure you are not one bit surprised by my reply...LOL
But why would I OP? Do I really think I can do as good of a job with OP over HWE?
YES... absolutely.
Our main sales are to TM guys do you think they are working at lowering their standards to their customers?
Customers are being charged more for LM than for HWE, even though LM is MUCH cheaper.. humm, why would
customers pay that except for seeing more VALUE in the LM cleaning?
When I state Vortex cleaners now offer LM for higher rates than their Big V cleaning, do you honestly think customers
would EVER pay that except THEY see the value? And the quality of cleaning?
Virtually all my customers are ex hwe users, why do we keep them decade after decade? We charge MORE not less than our competitors.
The fallacy is in the perception of the cleaning by "TAUGHT" carpet cleaners, not by experience, of course I mean by that  simply that what you are taught in a class seldom is a sure thing in reality.

I have traveled the US and much of Canada showing exactly what OP does, and much of that was BEFORE the Trinity and all it does superior to all OP we have built in the past, but in those travels I was given carpets that the cleaners (in their world) were having a tough time cleaning, both residential and commercial, to date, and that could change any time, we have solved every issue we have come across, so I don't have to validate what I am doing to ME, but I do, EXPLAIN what we are doing to others.

Most the negative comments I have received I received from people who are now OP users.
One guy, Ken Luebke bought an OP from me JUST TO PROVE ME WRONG, now he has dumped his Tm for his Trinity Cm and Trinity Profit, he didn't come to OP with hope of improving his cleaning, just the opposite, but his PROVING me wrong, proved that OP was a better choice for him and his customers... go figure..

An interesting video, trouble is the carpet isn't actually clean, it just looks clean. All of the dirt and grease is still in the carpet and that to me is not acceptable if your a professional 'carpet cleaner.'
There again, that carpet stays clean much longer doing encap than it did doing HWE, but just because the customer vacuums out the soil is not good enough?  LOL. it is not only good enough for the custy they indeed prefer it, I do grease of all levels, come have 1/4 on top of the carpet at the entry to the kitchen, I know all about grease, and just because you have not experienced cleaning it with encap is NO reason to not accept anyone else NOT DOING IT ON A REGULAR basis. I understand you have nothing like the Trinity machines in the UK, so you won't see (other than in other cleaners videos) exactly what I am talking about until someone there starts using them.

wynne jones

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Re: stand alone bonnet cleaning
« Reply #72 on: November 23, 2012, 11:08:25 pm »
Well you've sold me, but then I'm pretty stupid.

 
It's not expensive, you just can't afford it.

John Geurkink

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Re: stand alone bonnet cleaning
« Reply #73 on: November 23, 2012, 11:23:10 pm »
Wynne, you and I will get along fine, not too serious, but love a bit of fun....

david@zap-clean

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Re: stand alone bonnet cleaning
« Reply #74 on: November 24, 2012, 07:54:15 am »
I wasn't planning on getting involved with the HWE/LM cleaning debate, as I don't have enough experience of LM yet. But I'd be interested in the LM guys comments on this video, title 'How carpet cleaning should be'

http://youtu.be/IJyN5eQTJfc
David @ ZapClean
www.zap-clean.com

Mark Slaney

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Re: stand alone bonnet cleaning
« Reply #75 on: November 24, 2012, 08:32:53 am »

 I think encap will be more suited to the us market more as they clean their carpets more regularly than what we do over here, (most every six months) so less crap to remove, were dirty sods over here and most will only get there carpets cleaned when really nessecary or as a last resort before replacing. So we would require a more "deep clean" on most job's we do. Still it does has a place over here but more for the commercial side of thing's, My next purchase will be a op machine but will not be to replace the tm. I haven't hwe any commercial work for at least 2 years so will purely for that.

*Hector*

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Re: stand alone bonnet cleaning
« Reply #76 on: November 24, 2012, 08:40:27 am »
Mark, would you like to explain what you mean by "deep clean" please
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Paul Moss

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Re: stand alone bonnet cleaning
« Reply #77 on: November 24, 2012, 08:48:29 am »
Ive just got the Hbot which is a similar machine and i am getting very impressed with the results .

John have you seen the hbot and is there much difference with it compared to the Trinity?

Mark Slaney

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Re: stand alone bonnet cleaning
« Reply #78 on: November 24, 2012, 08:49:31 am »


  I think you know Hector  ;D

Mark Slaney

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Re: stand alone bonnet cleaning
« Reply #79 on: November 24, 2012, 09:03:27 am »


Use this scenario, if your encapping a whole house there's nowhere to remove any furniture out of the rooms, so your pulling it away from walls and cleaning behind then putting back. If your not going back 24hrs later to post vac your relying on the customer to a) have a decent enough vac and b) they would need to move all the furniture again to remove all the cristalized crap been left behind by encapping. Just wont happen. We all know that most customers don't even vac behind furniture anyway.