[Simon Gerrard]

Don't worry, Mossy, you can always encap it, works in every situation, you know

[Shaun_Ashmore]

You been looking in the mirror again?

Shaun

[Peter Sweeney]

Yep, it was all orchestrated folks, Simon and I spoke earlier and we thought that we could make some good of other good for goodness sake, sorry, went into a bit of a meditative state but bought myself back (it's the training). Anyway, the thought of Paul reaching over a toilet at my hand was too much to resist  

and that olive branch extends to you too mate

and dont all start crying into your laptops, your partners will never respect you again and it will never quite work the same, despite all the love it holds for you  

[Paul Moss]

  Pete and i thought you had gone to the land where time had forgotten with Dave Ingram

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Perhaps dave isn't as sad as us lot or perhaps he may come to the newly found 'love in'

Shaun

[Paul Moss]

Shaun, ive heard on the grapevine that he s your gay lover 

[John Geurkink]

Simon, I see sarcasm is your best comeback?

Fortunately those comments don't bother me, that is usually the reaction to someone doing a equal or better job with a lot less cost, I call it defending your purchase, and you do seem to be good at that.

[Shaun_Ashmore]

John it's hard for us uk cleaners to acknowledge padding per se as we just don't do enough of it therefore most find it hard to envisage that we can do an equally great job compared to our chosen trusted systems.

Shaun

[John Geurkink]

I understand that Shaun, however is it wrong to LEARN how to clean as well with LM?

Ok, here is my opinon, I hate gurus, because to me that is someone who just quit learning and started preachin' and teachin'..LOL

So, I like to talk about LM, however I am willing to back up what I say, I ain't trying to pull the wool  over anyone's eyes.

I does amaze me though how many will slam what they have never used or tried...

[Doug Holloway]

Hi John

Really is time to send over one of these machines and let it be tested.

Otherwise the comment about critiscising something which hasn't been used cannot be valid.

Cheers

Doug

[John Geurkink]

Will work on it Doug, hey is that a sprinter you areu sing, I had one for several years and loved it.

[Doug Holloway]

Hi John

Can I suggest you allow an experienced CC to trial it rather than a supplier who may/will depending on who it is, put a marketing spin on any results. To be credible it needs to be done in a scientific way with no material gain for the tester.

Cheers

Doug

[robert meldrum]

THICK SKIN ESSENTIAL

I've been following o/p debates for several years on American /Canadian forums with John G being the main man.
What's not immediately apparent on here is the engineering and product development that's gone into his products .
It's easy to come out with sarcastic comments and suggestions that you have to lift a carpet and weigh it to PROVE YOUR POINT or refuse to accept what's in front of your eyes.
Being pedantic or looking for what MIGHT be a c**** in some one's written comment is equally immature and smacks of PANIC about long held beliefs and DOUBT about the massive investment YOU MIGHT NEVER HAVE HAD TO MAKE.
Any one entering this industry will be MORE confused by the defensive postings on a system that might just be PAST IT'S SELL BY DATE or in a particular form, ie, T/M'ing
which could be equated to TAKING A HAMMER TO CRACK AN EGG.
Of course T/M machines have their place, eg, cleaning massive ships, but the New generation of powerful portables are more than capable of matching then on DAY TO DAY cleaning tasks and having the BEST O/P machines ( not necessarily ) the NEWEST OR FANCIEST but the BEST PERFORMING machines some one will be in a position to offer AS GOOD A CLEAN AS ANY OTHER SYSTEM but with huge advantages, particularly the lower capital cost.
Unfortunately........
No matter what you post on here you will upset or offend some one and they will come at you ( verbally ) with all guns blazing which is how you behave when your beliefs or person is under threat.

Good to see some hatchets being buried.......

[Simon Gerrard]

Robert,
Good post.
I accept some of what has been said about op machines and doubtless they have their place in the tool box a well equipped carpet cleaner has available to him. Many of us have built hugely successful businesses by delivering top quality carpet cleaning by whatever means is required to get the job done, the job being - a clean carpet.

Simon

[John Geurkink]

Great post Robert, and I apologize if I am getting off to a bad start here, I am rather passionate (duh), but I don't mean to offend anyone.

I love my method as most of you love yours. And I do not take debates personally.

I actually like this Simon guy, he is a feisty fella!


John Geurkink.

[Simon Gerrard]

Easy now, don't go getting all lovey-dovey on me now. Next thing you know I'll have sold my Titan 875 and have become a devout trinity encapping devotee

[bennymon]

Hi folks I have extraction machine and dry fusion  my work is 90% domestic I must admit I would love to clean all carpets LM but I just can't . I nearly always find a couple of marks I would need to get a spotting machine in for so more often than not I will just set up hwe. I've not yet used encap but will give it a go soon although I don't see it's going to be quicker if you have to wate for it to dry then vacc again . I would love to have one system for all my jobs but as yet it's not possible .what we need to see is some vids of LM cleaning in filthy houses because I can't find any   del

Pete leave Simon alone and make up with j

[robert meldrum]

Bennymon

When you encap you don't hang about waiting for it to dry..................you finish the encapping and go to your next job.

[bennymon]

But people keep saying they vacc after   So it's Pre vacc clean job done And would you use it on a dirty 3 bed semi Cheers.  Del

[*Hector*]

Yes Benny did a 3 bed yesterday and the front door was straight into the lounge.... Minging but came up lovely, carpet was 80/20.....

I always suggest to the customer to vac in about 2 hours after encap. When they look and say how clean it is, if you tell them it will be even brighter when they vac, they usually do.