[kenny jones]

note for mr willis : move to an area other than window cleaning, most people on this site are beyond educating about health and safety 

[colin purewater]

note for mr willis : move to an area other than window cleaning, most people on this site are beyond educating about health and safety 

Finally some one with a full picnic basket! 

[Moderator David@stives]

Hi Trev is far from thick , he turned over just short of £1m last year, anyone would do well to take a leaf out of his book

[colin purewater]

Dave it's just the line of questions just seem daft to me


 No offence ment like

Do you think he could lend me a tenna then 

[CleanClear]

as you may know i am meeting with andrew willis next week to discuss aspects of his course i have been attending, i would just like as many views as possible on how they would risk the possibility of dropping a water fed pole whilst in use, your options are
HIGHLY UNLIKELY
UNLIKELY
POSSIBLE
PROBABLE
CERTAIN

many thanks

Anyone experienced in these matters (i believe) should tell you this poll is flawed from the very start, you've no variables in it. The likeley hood of dropping a 12 foot pole is very small, and the likeleyhood of dropping a 60 foot pole is high. These two facts will be lessened or exacerbated by the building being totally flat and smooth or whether its got bays and recesses. And of course assumes that the poles are fully extended. This will determine where an out of control pole may rest, should one go out of control. Are you going straight up and down, are you cleaning at an angle? These facts will be assessed on any risk assesment.
 Your blanket question of 'how likely is  a pole to fall"? Is about as dumb as  .."can someone give me a method statement and risk assesment for a commercial job".
 When you go to meet him take your Abacus and your Mr.Man jotter so you can count and keep notes.

[Moderator David@stives]

Trev is a switched on bloke, generous as well, with both money and advice.

I am pretty much sure if he lent you a tenner, he would tell you to keep it

[AuRavelling79]

the chances of a pole snapping or falling is a massive risk end off.

What wills etc are doing is trying to educate on thick window cleaners who ask silly questions like this

Aren't you the chap who doesn't use wfp on Georgian panes because "it rots the wood" ?

And didn't you post something about Brodex poles being good, Gardiners poles being poor value and didn't you also say you think spending £24K on an Ionics system was the best idea?

And aren't you the chap who puts up with running his hose through dog poo to keep a £7.50 customer?

Tell me I'm thinking of someone else. However the comments quoted from you above do seem to fit in with the mind set of the other stuff I've mentioned.

[DG Cleaning]

I can't sleep so I've just read through 4 pages of the most boring nonsensical post I've ever had the misfortune to come across. I'm sleepy now though alrighg 

[trevor perry]

as you may know i am meeting with andrew willis next week to discuss aspects of his course i have been attending, i would just like as many views as possible on how they would risk the possibility of dropping a water fed pole whilst in use, your options are
HIGHLY UNLIKELY
UNLIKELY
POSSIBLE
PROBABLE
CERTAIN

many thanks

Anyone experienced in these matters (i believe) should tell you this poll is flawed from the very start, you've no variables in it. The likeley hood of dropping a 12 foot pole is very small, and the likeleyhood of dropping a 60 foot pole is high. These two facts will be lessened or exacerbated by the building being totally flat and smooth or whether its got bays and recesses. And of course assumes that the poles are fully extended. This will determine where an out of control pole may rest, should one go out of control. Are you going straight up and down, are you cleaning at an angle? These facts will be assessed on any risk assesment.
 Your blanket question of 'how likely is  a pole to fall"? Is about as dumb as  .."can someone give me a method statement and risk assesment for a commercial job".
 When you go to meet him take your Abacus and your Mr.Man jotter so you can count and keep notes.

 Thanks for this post i totally agree, the reason i put the question up is becaise these where roughly the options given whilst carrying out a risk assessment on the impact 43 course,  this is how the case for courdoning off area of pole height was reached but as you say totally flawed and i am afraid if enough people do not question this flawed conclusion and all the risk assessments carried out on impact 43s course end up being looked at by the HSE then they may conclude it is considered GOOD PRACTICE for us to courdon off the work area which then means this becomes law http://www.hse.gov.uk/risk/theory/alarp2.htm

[robert mitchell]

You can't eliminate risk completely,  it's more of a risk crossing a busy road than it is window cleaning with a stick 
When crossing a busy road you use your common sense to reduce the risk,  you don't cordon it off,  gave a spotter or put on your hi viz .
This kind of over the top health and safety culture is what stifles all of our emergency services making them less effective and stifles business growth .
It needs toning down and some common sense thinking applied .

[trevor perry]

You can't eliminate risk completely,  it's more of a risk crossing a busy road than it is window cleaning with a stick 
When crossing a busy road you use your common sense to reduce the risk,  you don't cordon it off,  gave a spotter or put on your hi viz .
This kind of over the top health and safety culture is what stifles all of our emergency services making them less effective and stifles business growth .
It needs toning down and some common sense thinking applied .

 again toltally agree but now ask yourselves how do these laws that i would estimate 90% of the workforce disagree with end up becoming legislation and now you will understand my concern over courdoning off issue

[robert mitchell]

They become law because we let it become law .
Greedy solicitors jumping on every little thing to make a claim .
a loose paving slab for instance .

I had the no win no fee salesman nknock my door and when I said I had no accidents he suggested finding a loose slab and making up a claim!

[trevor perry]

They become law because we let it become law .
Greedy solicitors jumping on every little thing to make a claim .
a loose paving slab for instance .

I had the no win no fee salesman nknock my door and when I said I had no accidents he suggested finding a loose slab and making up a claim!

Read the link i put up 4 posts above, this is part of how they become law

[trevor perry]

Hi Trev is far from thick , he turned over just short of £1m last year, anyone would do well to take a leaf out of his book

Thanks for the compliment Dave, i dont consider myself being too bright infact my turnover this year will  be a lot less due to the fact i was not clever enough to realise i was putting too many off my eggs in one basket for the last four years and instead of chasing new work spent too much time managing a large contract but lesson has been learnt

[robert mitchell]

Cordoning off on normal domestics properties =not practical .

Health and safety is down to common sense,  people died on the London underground bombings because health and safety puts the people in charge at risk of prosecution,  forcing them to make the wrong decision .

Window cleaning is not rocket science,  use your common sense and everything will be fine .

Forced over the top health and safety will ruin the industry .

[James Leet]

We need to stand up and not let these H&S people speak for us

[kenny jones]

the chances of a pole snapping or falling is a massive risk end off.

What wills etc are doing is trying to educate on thick window cleaners who ask silly questions like this

Aren't you the chap who doesn't use wfp on Georgian panes because "it rots the wood" ?

And didn't you post something about Brodex poles being good, Gardiners poles being poor value and didn't you also say you think spending £24K on an Ionics system was the best idea?

And aren't you the chap who puts up with running his hose through dog poo to keep a £7.50 customer?

Tell me I'm thinking of someone else. However the comments quoted from you above do seem to fit in with the mind set of the other stuff I've mentioned.

That sure is me goat, though the lads drag the pipes through ship for £7.50 not me.

Gardiners poles are overpriced

Brodex and ionic are the best comnpanys on this site, feel honored goat that i have replied to you 

[kenny jones]

 p.s yer spend 24k on an ionics system before ionics i cleaned houses, now hospitals airports stadiums and still of course the best of the lot houses !!

[Bryan_Dolby]

Trev

It will not just become law over night
There will be alot of input form industry and FWC

I will personally have a good argument with them


My percentage 95%

Bryan

[Dave Willis]

Trev

It will not just become law over night
There will be alot of input form industry and FWC

I will personally have a good argument with them


My percentage 95%

Bryan

Are you sure Bryan? 95% chance of dropping your pole?