[Dave Willis]

Trevor, would you need to do fifty risk assessments a day for the average round?

[keyser soze]

 the safe clean clan clean a hotel in the town centre where i live. they put lots of signs out but they don't cordon any areas of from the public . what does that tell you.

[stuart mc]

unlikely

and concept you are funny sorry just read the whole thread and catching up,

[trevor perry]

Trevor, would you need to do fifty risk assessments a day for the average round?

No just one that covered all likely risks on the round, if any properties have characteristics that create risks not common to your round then i would do an individual one for that property

[keyser soze]

has anyone on this forum ever dropped a pole on anyone ever. just curious. i know some would say that's not the point and it could happen regardless. but it would be nice to know

[brad t]

Trevor, I have been on the course and know what you are on about. Would you work on that street with all the poeple walking around you and under your pole to get to the door?

its not on every job(every house) but if i worked in places like the shopping centre i would do it every time, becouse if the pole did go down you would be the one who would end up deep in it.

[Window Washers]

as you may know i am meeting with andrew willis next week to discuss aspects of his course i have been attending, i would just like as many views as possible on how they would risk the possibility of dropping a water fed pole whilst in use, your options are
HIGHLY UNLIKELY
UNLIKELY
POSSIBLE
PROBABLE
CERTAIN

many thanks

Trev.

Heavens forbid but we don't know id if were gonna be stuck dead tomorrow let alone drop a pole! but so long as we've risk assessed the job were working on then that's all the HSE ask of us. Please don't make things anything more complicated than necessary regarding HSE.

You've got to remember the difference between HSE and private companies that are trying to make a buck from the old H&S culture if you oblige them they'll take your money, if you understand what your legal obligations are you'll most probably find you don't even need them .

Spot on!

is that in your opinion winpro or is that from checking your legal standing or just guessing its spot on ?

[trevor perry]

PLEASE can i have some percentage figures

[brad t]

it could be 1 in 10,000,000 but any of us could be that 1.

[James Leet]

as you may know i am meeting with andrew willis next week to discuss aspects of his course i have been attending, i would just like as many views as possible on how they would risk the possibility of dropping a water fed pole whilst in use, your options are
HIGHLY UNLIKELY
UNLIKELY
POSSIBLE
PROBABLE
CERTAIN

many thanks

Trev.

Heavens forbid but we don't know id if were gonna be stuck dead tomorrow let alone drop a pole! but so long as we've risk assessed the job were working on then that's all the HSE ask of us. Please don't make things anything more complicated than necessary regarding HSE.

You've got to remember the difference between HSE and private companies that are trying to make a buck from the old H&S culture if you oblige them they'll take your money, if you understand what your legal obligations are you'll most probably find you don't even need them .

Spot on!

is that in your opinion winpro or is that from checking your legal standing or just guessing its spot on ?

Ian, i was decent enough to answer your questions

you seem to be avoiding 2 that are easy to answer

http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=161276.msg1341612#msg1341612

[gewindows]

PLEASE can i have some percentage figures

<5%

[Small but perfectley formed]

I don't think using possible on a risk assessment is the right word because in life everything is possible even if it is 1 in a billion chance .

[SunShineCleaning]

I'm not sure you can use % when looking at the likelIhood of risk which is why many use a risk assessment matrix.

You have LIKELIHOOD and CONCEQUENCES and the matrix tells you the risk.

I cant upload it as the 'upload folder is full'

[AuRavelling79]

In 7 years wfp use.

I can recall leaving a pole extended to about 15ft against the wall of a custies house when she came out to pay when I was working, it blew over and fell to the floor, with no damage to it or anything else.

Again last year in all the high winds in June I left a pole at 30ft against a building I was cleaning the cladding of and it fell to the floor in a gust of wind.

I understand this risk and don't (almost never  ) leave a pole extended and unattended. I actually put it in any risk assessments that we will not leave poles this way.

So I would say the risk is rare.

[George P]

i think less than 1%, but poles should never be left standing unattended extended or not, and yes i have done it in the past. 

[Steve Sed]

 So the best way to manage the risk is not a cordon, but not leaving unattended extended poles?

[mark311069]

i think the best thing we can all do is just go and clean windows, now theres a idea!!

[Simon@ Clearview contractors]

Hi Trev, I'd rate the chances of it happening as highly unlikely, the odds must be in the 10's million plus so effectively, why not factor into our risk assesments  the likelihood of being struck by lightening after all carbon fibre and aluminium are both conductors...

[kenny jones]

the chances of a pole snapping or falling is a massive risk end off.

What wills etc are doing is trying to educate on thick window cleaners who ask silly questions like this

[kenny jones]

on average but that should read maybe 90%