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trevor perry

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meeting with andrew willis
« on: November 20, 2012, 09:01:29 pm »
 as you may know i am meeting with andrew willis next week to discuss aspects of his course i have been attending, i would just like as many views as possible on how they would risk the possibility of dropping a water fed pole whilst in use, your options are
HIGHLY UNLIKELY
UNLIKELY
POSSIBLE
PROBABLE
CERTAIN

many thanks
better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove any doubt

Moderator David@stives

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Re: meeting with andrew willis
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2012, 09:10:33 pm »
Hi Trev

I have had the second section snap on a 60 ft pole, and the top 2 sections come crashing down, pole hose was external, luckily no one injured,

Also one of my boys left a 40 pole fully extended on the side of a building, which blew over in the wind, again no injurys, both occassions, no public could get on site.

Let you decide how that fits into your formula

gewindows

Re: meeting with andrew willis
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2012, 09:12:29 pm »
Highly unlikely.

trevor perry

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Re: meeting with andrew willis
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2012, 09:15:34 pm »
Hi Trev

I have had the second section snap on a 60 ft pole, and the top 2 sections come crashing down, pole hose was external, luckily no one injured,

Also one of my boys left a 40 pole fully extended on the side of a building, which blew over in the wind, again no injurys, both occassions, no public could get on site.

Let you decide how that fits into your formula

 Thanks Dave, obviously leaving a 40ft pole fully extended is something that should be avoided and i am sure you took this in hand, as regards the 60ft pole was it thoroughly inspected for any damage before use, i am not asking this to point blame but rather looking at things that can be implemented to minimise this occurance without going to what i consider extreme measures of courdoning off work height of the pole
better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove any doubt

concept

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Re: meeting with andrew willis
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2012, 09:25:30 pm »
If you factor it so an average window cleaner does what, 25 houses, so the pole could be extended and collapsed say 100 times a day minimum, so 500 times a week, 1000 times a month, 12000 a year, and it gets dropped from height once in 2 years(?), so 1 in 24000 chance, if I was a gambling man, I know what my money would be on.

Absolute joke.

trevor perry

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Re: meeting with andrew willis
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2012, 09:28:35 pm »
If you factor it so an average window cleaner does what, 25 houses, so the pole could be extended and collapsed say 100 times a day minimum, so 500 times a week, 1000 times a month, 12000 a year, and it gets dropped from height once in 2 years(?), so 1 in 24000 chance, if I was a gambling man, I know what my money would be on.

Absolute joke.

 thanks concept i will take that as a highly unlikey then, like your figures
better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove any doubt

concept

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Re: meeting with andrew willis
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2012, 09:30:49 pm »
If you factor it so an average window cleaner does what, 25 houses, so the pole could be extended and collapsed say 100 times a day minimum, so 500 times a week, 1000 times a month, 12000 a year, and it gets dropped from height once in 2 years(?), so 1 in 24000 chance, if I was a gambling man, I know what my money would be on.

Absolute joke.

 thanks concept i will take that as a highly unlikey then

As you wish.

In 3.5 years I haven't dropped a pole, so you can change the figures to probably 42000:0

Window Washers

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Re: meeting with andrew willis
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2012, 09:31:38 pm »
If you factor it so an average window cleaner does what, 25 houses, so the pole could be extended and collapsed say 100 times a day minimum, so 500 times a week, 1000 times a month, 12000 a year, and it gets dropped from height once in 2 years(?), so 1 in 24000 chance, if I was a gambling man, I know what my money would be on.

Absolute joke.

 thanks concept i will take that as a highly unlikey then

As you wish.

In 3.5 years I haven't dropped a pole, so you can change the figures to probably 42000:0
you had a good trainer ;)
If your not willing to learn, No one can help you, If you are determined to learn, No one can stop you ;)

colin purewater

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Re: meeting with andrew willis
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2012, 09:31:42 pm »
Any thing Is possible that's why we risk asses
And Andy runs courses for windies

What is your main reason you are meeting with his?

Corroding areas of when poleing ?  When reasons
Mr Morris's post it says it all he was just lucky could
 of been a  different ending

keep it simple

concept

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Re: meeting with andrew willis
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2012, 09:34:41 pm »
Any thing Is possible that's why we risk asses
And Andy runs courses for windies

What is your main reason you are meeting with his?

Corroding areas of when poleing ?  When reasons
Mr Morris's post it says it all he was just lucky could
 of been a  different ending



f***s sake, it is POSSIBLE, POSSIBLE, to get hit by a bus 2moro, it's about PROBABILITY.

Ian, yes, I did, handsome chap too. Wish I could remember his name.

trevor perry

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Re: meeting with andrew willis
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2012, 09:39:00 pm »
Any thing Is possible that's why we risk asses
And Andy runs courses for windies

What is your main reason you are meeting with his?

Corroding areas of when poleing ?  When reasons
Mr Morris's post it says it all he was just lucky could
 of been a  different ending



 i have many reasons for talking to andrew but this survey is just to get a general opinion  for filling in the  the risk assessment as I disagreed  from andrews opinion
better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove any doubt

keyser soze

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Re: meeting with andrew willis
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2012, 09:40:18 pm »
unlikely .i'm thinking . snapping a pole could happen.  so could a tree blow down in high winds . you cant eliminate every possibility or can you ????

Window Washers

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Re: meeting with andrew willis
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2012, 09:41:42 pm »
Any thing Is possible that's why we risk asses
And Andy runs courses for windies

What is your main reason you are meeting with his?

Corroding areas of when poleing ?  When reasons
Mr Morris's post it says it all he was just lucky could
 of been a  different ending



f***s sake, it is POSSIBLE, POSSIBLE, to get hit by a bus 2moro, it's about PROBABILITY.

Ian, yes, I did, handsome chap too. Wish I could remember his name.
always the charmer Simon lol
If your not willing to learn, No one can help you, If you are determined to learn, No one can stop you ;)

colin purewater

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Re: meeting with andrew willis
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2012, 09:46:57 pm »
I've been driving 12 years
Never had a crash
And don't intend to either

But still every day I always wear my seatbelt..

Same thing..

Potty mouth
keep it simple

concept

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Re: meeting with andrew willis
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2012, 09:50:31 pm »
I've been driving 12 years
Never had a crash
And don't intend to either

But still every day I always wear my seatbelt..

Same thing..

Potty mouth

Wasn't aimed at you, just this whole subject that's been banded about on here for the last week or so.

It's all about someone trying to justify their position, nothing more.

Dave Willis

Re: meeting with andrew willis
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2012, 09:54:13 pm »
Possible I'd say particularly as we don't know exactly when to renew the pole or sections. I've broken top sections before and usually the pole hose stops any disaster. I also stop working when pedestrians or members of the public walk by (but that's more to stop showering them).
Cordoning off a street is pretty much impossible though.

trevor perry

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Re: meeting with andrew willis
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2012, 09:55:23 pm »
I've been driving 12 years
Never had a crash
And don't intend to either

But still every day I always wear my seatbelt..

Same thing..

Potty mouth

 thanks colin but now i have answered why i am to meet andrew could you please give me your opinion on likelihood of dropping a pole whilst in use
better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove any doubt

Moderator David@stives

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Re: meeting with andrew willis
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2012, 09:55:55 pm »
Concept

Please refrain from swearing even with ***, its not allowed

Trev

No the pole wasn't inspected and I turned the air blue, when the pole was left unnattended

concept

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Re: meeting with andrew willis
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2012, 09:58:35 pm »
Concept

Please refrain from swearing even with ***, its not allowed

Trev

No the pole wasn't inspected and I turned the air blue, when the pole was left unnattended

Get many kids on here do we?

 ::)

colin purewater

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Re: meeting with andrew willis
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2012, 10:01:25 pm »
I've been driving 12 years
Never had a crash
And don't intend to either

But still every day I always wear my seatbelt..

Same thing..

Potty mouth

 thanks colin but now i have answered why i am to meet andrew could you please give me your opinion on likelihood of dropping a pole whilst in use

As i said before mate possible

keep it simple