[keyser soze]

Possible I'd say particularly as we don't know exactly when to renew the pole or sections. I've broken top sections before and usually the pole hose stops any disaster. I also stop working when pedestrians or members of the public walk by (but that's more to stop showering them).
Cordoning off a street is pretty much impossible though.

the same as

[Moderator David@stives]

Concept

Right from the start that has been the rules,

Its not always about kids, we don't want to offend anyone no matter what age, there are plenty who find swearing distasteful, there are plenty more ways to express yourself than swearing.

But as you mentioned kids there's many on here who have there children looking over there shoulder while browsing, or maybe leave there pc on, while they go to make a cup of tea etc.

But the bottom line is, its the forum rules

[concept]

I've been driving 12 years
Never had a crash
And don't intend to either

But still every day I always wear my seatbelt..

Same thing..

Potty mouth

 thanks colin but now i have answered why i am to meet andrew could you please give me your opinion on likelihood of dropping a pole whilst in use

As i said before mate possible

So is winning the lottery POSSIBLE.

[colin purewater]

I've been driving 12 years
Never had a crash
And don't intend to either

But still every day I always wear my seatbelt..

Same thing..

Potty mouth

 thanks colin but now i have answered why i am to meet andrew could you please give me your opinion on likelihood of dropping a pole whilst in use

As i said before mate possible

So is winning the lottery POSSIBLE.

Are you seriously asking that question?

[James Leet]

If you factor it so an average window cleaner does what, 25 houses, so the pole could be extended and collapsed say 100 times a day minimum, so 500 times a week, 1000 times a month, 12000 a year, and it gets dropped from height once in 2 years(?), so 1 in 24000 chance, if I was a gambling man, I know what my money would be on.

Absolute joke.

 thanks concept i will take that as a highly unlikey then

As you wish.

In 3.5 years I haven't dropped a pole, so you can change the figures to probably 42000:0

you had a good trainer

Ian, you might have missed this

http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=161276.msg1341612#msg1341612

[concept]

I've been driving 12 years
Never had a crash
And don't intend to either

But still every day I always wear my seatbelt..

Same thing..

Potty mouth

 thanks colin but now i have answered why i am to meet andrew could you please give me your opinion on likelihood of dropping a pole whilst in use

As i said before mate possible

So is winning the lottery POSSIBLE.

Are you seriously asking that question?

What question?

[colin purewater]

I've been driving 12 years
Never had a crash
And don't intend to either

But still every day I always wear my seatbelt..

Same thing..

Potty mouth

 thanks colin but now i have answered why i am to meet andrew could you please give me your opinion on likelihood of dropping a pole whilst in use

As i said before mate possible

So is winning the lottery POSSIBLE.

Are you seriously asking that question?

What question?

The lottery?? Ring any bells

I give up mate something missing from your picnic basket

[trevor perry]

I've been driving 12 years
Never had a crash
And don't intend to either

But still every day I always wear my seatbelt..

Same thing..

Potty mouth

 thanks colin but now i have answered why i am to meet andrew could you please give me your opinion on likelihood of dropping a pole whilst in use

As i said before mate possible

So is winning the lottery POSSIBLE.

 THANKYOU concept this is exactly the point i was looking for, from the few people that have posted we have had answers ranging from hihgly unlikely to possible and depending on which one of these we chose to fill in risk assessment would have a large impact on how we are expected  to manage the risks.
 Some have posted amount pole used and the times it has been dropped and from this we can get a better likelihood rating may be as a percentage so please bear with me and can you now enter the likelihood of dropping your pole as a percentge

Below 5%
BETWEEN 5 -35%
BETWEEN 35-65%
BETWEEN 65- 95%
ABOVE 95%

Thanks

[concept]

I've been driving 12 years
Never had a crash
And don't intend to either

But still every day I always wear my seatbelt..

Same thing..

Potty mouth

 thanks colin but now i have answered why i am to meet andrew could you please give me your opinion on likelihood of dropping a pole whilst in use

As i said before mate possible

So is winning the lottery POSSIBLE.

Are you seriously asking that question?

What question?

The lottery?? Ring any bells

I give up mate something missing from your picnic basket

It was a statement, not a question.

Go back and read it properly rather than patronising me.

[Dave Willis]

Below 1 % I'd say.

It's a risk but a low risk.


Id also like to know the maximum permitted height a pole can be used.
Would it be the manufacturers safe height or what? Also what guarantees do the manufacturers give that their poles are safe to use at maximum height  ( don't forget one manufacturer suggests you extend your pole beyond the stop markers on each section) If it snaps can the blame be passed onto them?

[simon w]

as you may know i am meeting with andrew willis next week to discuss aspects of his course i have been attending, i would just like as many views as possible on how they would risk the possibility of dropping a water fed pole whilst in use, your options are
HIGHLY UNLIKELY
UNLIKELY
POSSIBLE
PROBABLE
CERTAIN

many thanks

Trev.

Heavens forbid but we don't know id if were gonna be stuck dead tomorrow let alone drop a pole! but so long as we've risk assessed the job were working on then that's all the HSE ask of us. Please don't make things anything more complicated than necessary regarding HSE.

You've got to remember the difference between HSE and private companies that are trying to make a buck from the old H&S culture if you oblige them they'll take your money, if you understand what your legal obligations are you'll most probably find you don't even need them .

[colin purewater]

What does the percentage matter??
If there's a chance that it will happen
it will happen one day to some one!

That is the whole point of eliminating risk..

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

as you may know i am meeting with andrew willis next week to discuss aspects of his course i have been attending, i would just like as many views as possible on how they would risk the possibility of dropping a water fed pole whilst in use, your options are
HIGHLY UNLIKELY
UNLIKELY
POSSIBLE
PROBABLE
CERTAIN

many thanks

Trev.

Heavens forbid but we don't know id if were gonna be stuck dead tomorrow let alone drop a pole! but so long as we've risk assessed the job were working on then that's all the HSE ask of us. Please don't make things anything more complicated than necessary regarding HSE.

You've got to remember the difference between HSE and private companies that are trying to make a buck from the old H&S culture if you oblige them they'll take your money, if you understand what your legal obligations are you'll most probably find you don't even need them .

Spot on!

[concept]

I've been driving 12 years
Never had a crash
And don't intend to either

But still every day I always wear my seatbelt..

Same thing..

Potty mouth

 thanks colin but now i have answered why i am to meet andrew could you please give me your opinion on likelihood of dropping a pole whilst in use

As i said before mate possible

So is winning the lottery POSSIBLE.

 THANKYOU concept this is exactly the point i was looking for, from the few people that have posted we have had answers ranging from hihgly unlikely to possible and depending on which one of these we chose to fill in risk assessment would have a large impact on how we are expected  to manage the risks.
 Some have posted amount pole used and the times it has been dropped and from this we can get a better likelihood rating may be as a percentage so please bear with me and can you now enter the likelihood of dropping your pole as a percentge

Below 5%
BETWEEN 5 -35%
BETWEEN 35-65%
BETWEEN 65- 95%
ABOVE 95%

Thanks

So, having collapsed and extended the pole around 100 times in a day, anyone who says any % risk, means they will drop it at height, at least once a day.

Hook at the maths in my original post on the subject, I think that's a fair reflection across the board, so you really are looking at extremely unlikely odds of it happening.

If someone really sees it as a risk or even a possibility, based on FACT, not what POTENTIALLY could happen, given ABSOLUTE WORST case scenario, then they should question their future.

Health and Safety scaremainerers create problems that don't exist to justify their position. Not saying all issues are scare tactics as in some jobs there are REAL and present dangers, not in what we do, as I have shown you with a quick calculation.

[concept]

What does the percentage matter??
If there's a chance that it will happen
it will happen one day to some one!

That is the whole point of eliminating risk..

So will you cordone off areas on each job?

[colin purewater]

No I'm trad only!

[wpclean]

If my 27 ft clx dropped on a persons head it would give them concussion, if it was my 36 Brodex hydra aluminium that dropped on their head it would be lights out.

[trevor perry]

as you may know i am meeting with andrew willis next week to discuss aspects of his course i have been attending, i would just like as many views as possible on how they would risk the possibility of dropping a water fed pole whilst in use, your options are
HIGHLY UNLIKELY
UNLIKELY
POSSIBLE
PROBABLE
CERTAIN

many thanks

Trev.

Heavens forbid but we don't know id if were gonna be stuck dead tomorrow let alone drop a pole! but so long as we've risk assessed the job were working on then that's all the HSE ask of us. Please don't make things anything more complicated than necessary regarding HSE.

You've got to remember the difference between HSE and private companies that are trying to make a buck from the old H&S culture if you oblige them they'll take your money, if you understand what your legal obligations are you'll most probably find you don't even need them .

whether we like it or not it is the law that we risk assess the work we carry out, if after the assessment is carried out there is a moderate level of risk remaining then steps should be taken to minimise this risk, so my object in this exercise is to ascertain whether further action ie courdoning of work area is necassary if a ACCURATE risk assessment is carried out.
  On the IMPACT course everyone carried out an assessment and the risk remaining was moderate, these assessments where handed in as part of the course work so i am attempting to do an assessment on a percentage basis rather than a dubious likelihood rating but i need peoples views as a percentage

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

lol samson

[Moderator David@stives]

I hear that poles over 33 ft are banned

In Holland the use of any high level poles involves a licence and the height and ergonomics has been a subject of considerable government scrutiny. For the first time water fed poles have been included in the 2004 Dutch Labour Agreement for use up to 10 metres. It is hoped to increase this height to 13 metres and above in subsequent years.