[Dazzler3370]

Im trying to gather as much independant advice as possible as to which van mounted systems are the best value for money, but i am aslso willing to pay reliability.

Also the best poles on the market. Having subscribed to window cleaning magazine. The Gardiner SLX poles came out on top.......Is this the feeling out there on the ground.....??

I have also just had a Ionic magazine delivered, does anyone use the new Zero system??
Also all of their systems seem to be very expensive compared to other models....are they worth the money.

Does anyone use the heaters for their systems, 3 KW or 9 KW if so, are they worth the money??

Your input will be valued, as I dont fancy getting ripped off when these things cost thousands.   

[Caleb Morley]

Would definately recommend the SLX poles. Worth the investment from the get go.

I think if you have never done traditional window cleaning then WFP with a van system is the way to go, provided this will be your full time job and not just a part time thing.

Cheers,

Caleb

[bobplum]

you could save your self a lot of money and do it DIY
All depends on the van size of course as too what you can install.
It is very easy to do

[[GQC] Tim]

It's simple.

If you want a crashtested system, go Grippamax. If you don't want that go purefreedom.

[concept]

It's simple.

If you want a crashtested system, go Grippamax. If you don't want that go purefreedom.

Purefreedom are now doing crash tested systems. I rang the other day and was told that.

Shame Grippamax don't offer a hot system, as I really like their set ups.

[[GQC] Tim]

It's simple.

If you want a crashtested system, go Grippamax. If you don't want that go purefreedom.

Purefreedom are now doing crash tested systems. I rang the other day and was told that.

Shame Grippamax don't offer a hot system, as I really like their set ups.

I somewhat doubt that. I've heard them say that before. Maybe they did crash test it, but if they would have gotten a mira certificate they would be all over it. Having a customer crash their van + system isn't exactly a crash test.

I'd be happy if I am wrong though.

[concept]

It's simple.

If you want a crashtested system, go Grippamax. If you don't want that go purefreedom.

Purefreedom are now doing crash tested systems. I rang the other day and was told that.

Shame Grippamax don't offer a hot system, as I really like their set ups.

I somewhat doubt that. I've heard them say that before. Maybe they did crash test it, but if they would have gotten a mira certificate they would be all over it. Having a customer crash their van + system isn't exactly a crash test.

I'd be happy if I am wrong though.

I will ask once the new van gets here and clarify.

[[GQC] Tim]

Yes please. Would be great for the market. Need a third competitor to drive prices a bit lower.

[Scrimble]

how many ways do you want a wydale tank 100psi pump and the same flow controller every supplier sells?

[concept]

how many ways do you want a wydale tank 100psi pump and the same flow controller every supplier sells?

I take it you use a donkey to get from a to b? Does the same thing as a car doesn't it?

[ladders no more]

Came across this on you tube Purefreedom have done a crash test
http://youtu.be/SnFyMqPER3g

This is on youtube under purefreedom crash test

[[GQC] Tim]

I think we can learn a lot from that video, or indeed what is missing.

What I find very interesting is that they exactly cut out the video frames/pictures from the side of the vehicle, where you would see the system react to the impact/intrusion into cab area. These picture/frames are missing.

It looked like it destroyed the entire seating area. Compare that to the Grippamax test and there is zero intrusion.

I conclude that this that the system did not pass the Mira test and hence Purefreedom systems do not carry the crash tested certificate.

[ladders no more]

I think we can learn a lot from that video, or indeed what is missing.

What I find very interesting is that they exactly cut out the video frames/pictures from the side of the vehicle, where you would see the system react to the impact/intrusion into cab area. These picture/frames are missing.

It looked like it destroyed the entire seating area. Compare that to the Grippamax test and there is zero intrusion.

I conclude that this that the system did not pass the Mira test and hence Purefreedom systems do not carry the crash tested certificate.

Thats naughty if they are saying it has passed and you say it hasent 
 you should give purefreedom a ring and post what they say on here,
mira would not be happy would they, but surely they wouldent have falsified this clame that the cage was safe 

[Blue Frog Systems]

Dazzler - Gardiners poles are the way to go. I have had a clx & slx aswell as many other poles and the slx trumps the lot. With i had got the slx when i first started.

System wise you have a few choices

1) Crash tested - to my knowledge there are only two crash tested systems. Ionics and Grippamax (this was Gardiners original system they had crash test certificated)

2) Fitted -  by a supplier or yourself if you confident at drilling holes in the van floor

Ionics is expensive though i havent heard much bad things said agianst there systems bar the prices

Fitted - quite a few places do this, Pure freedom being the most common. I had a system fitted by The cleaning warehouse - they had a mechanic fit it all in for me.

If you fancy doing it yourself, its not hard. You can buy the parts needed (tank & frame) from suppliers and then drill holes through the floor yourself if your confident at doing this.

Fully fitted will set you back a chunk depending on your system. You could always buy the parts and get a garage to fit it if your not happy to do this yourself.

Buying a system you fit yourself (or get a garage to drill the holes) will save you money and you will learn alot more about your system incase anything goes wrong.

[Nick Wareham]

Pure freedom crash test looks very suspicious to me.

It says they did it in March but we are only just hearing about it?  Also the way the video is cut you don't see the actual impact side on, and wow how it flew into the air!

I think that the result was probably that it would have been fatal for the driver.  In other words, a fail.  I too wonder if Mira know they're using it to promote.

As for systems, ionics are good, but as you say, expensive.  But they also have a company called Pure2o, which is a kind of no-frills version of their main systems.  Like ionics other systems they are crash-tested (properly!) and best of all they have a price promise and will beat any other price.

So my recommendation would be Pure2o

[Mike #1]

£2,574  seems a good price for a 400ltr crash tested system fully fitted but i think they only do an upright tank so not bad if you have got the money to spend.

As for the PureFreedom video very dodgy it should be removed from youtube as it looks to be edited and has some vital parts missing . Mike

[Dazzler3370]

Thanks for all your advice guys....Im glad im giving myself at least 12 months in advance to put all this advice together.

[Spruce]

Where's the water?

Was the tank empty?

[robbo333]

Where's the water?

Was the tank empty?

I thought the same thing! I'm looking for a complete van system too, so would be interested to know.

[concept]

Where's the water?

Was the tank empty?

Detective!

You're right!