[Tony Edwards]

Tony

Read my earlier post or did you miss that one 9th post down from the top

No supplier has ever got protection from me.

If you want to carry on calling me liar, that's your perogative.

David

Never called you a liar never said you protected him

The owners clearly do

[Mike @ Facelift]

Can't we all get along and live in harmony 

Peace 

[James Leet]

Can't we all get along and live in harmony 

Peace 

Mike, how would you feel if facelift did not run a advertising campaign and another supplier did, now that other supplier has negative posts about his product deleted, they left the negative posts about you to run and run

We are talking censorship here and all to protect a income stream

Its ugly, we all know that, as does Dave

[gewindows]

James, he who pays the piper plays the tune. Sad fact perhaps. Been like that since the beginning of time. You ain't going to change that. You best get over it cos that's how it'll stay. End of.

[G Griffin]

James, he who pays the piper plays the tune. Sad fact perhaps. Been like that since the beginning of time. You ain't going to change that. You best get over it cos that's how it'll stay. End of.

Good point.
I'd be interested in James's intentions if he realises this.

[Tom White]

why is it that a moderator or forum admin can decide when a topic has "run its course"?

'Cos we has the buttons!  

I don't give a figgy fig fig about courses, training, the Willis family, advertising; and sometimes, even ruddy window cleaning, so I'm pretty neutral here.

If I think a post is turning into a bitch fight, or getting into the realm of discussing personalities rather than the subject, I'll lock it.  Sometimes, if I suspect it's beer o' clock, I'll just lock it for the evening and reopen it again in the morning.  Quite often no-one responds after that.

None of the mods, as far as I am aware, take any instruction from the site owners; we're just here to keep the forum moderate; you know, not extreme in any way; we're not paid - we receive no direction - there is no CIU moderator conspiracy.

The most I ever got was a Christmas card off the site owner, some years ago, not even a free squeegy rubber.  I was finished with him after that!  

HTH

[Llaaww]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pe0rNieL-Q

[James Leet]

James, he who pays the piper plays the tune. Sad fact perhaps. Been like that since the beginning of time. You ain't going to change that. You best get over it cos that's how it'll stay. End of.

What is a worry in this whole situation for me is this.

Supplier X brings out a new pole, its rubbish and after a few weeks use starts to wear from the inside, this causes the pole to snap without warning

Now members post about this on here and supplier X does not like this, he still has 400 poles to shift, so he takes out a banner with the knowledge that he can ask Admin / Mods to delete any negative post about the poles

Admin will of course protect the income stream that Supplier X is paying and get the mods to delete posts

Personally if i was a mod i would question this and if still not happy i would think is this place worth the hassle and question my morals, we have seen that David@st-ives is not happy about this, I notice that Tosh has just made a few jokes about this, where do you draw the line, as the above could happen, morally it is wrong


integrity

1. adherence to moral principles; honesty
2. the quality of being unimpaired; soundness
3. unity; wholeness

[gewindows]

What's the difference between that happening on here with a banner compared to Lee's publication, or another supplier using google Adwords, or a different forum, or their own advertising literature?

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

What's the difference between that happening on here with a banner compared to Lee's publication, or another supplier using google Adwords, or a different forum, or their own advertising literature?

The difference is US!

WE make this forum! Without US, this forum can not exsist!

So, for all US who, & for many, have done for a good number of years put much effort & knowledge into helping others- it's an insult!

[Tom White]

No-one, apart from our members request mods to delete posts.

And I think I could drum up a whole range of future-based scenarios to annoy myself with, but I think it would be best if we just deal with each situation as it crops up.

However, I think you have made a good point, but if anyone has actual EXPERIENCE of a product/service and complains on the forum - and the supplier is also a sponsor - I think that'll carry a lot more weight than someone who is just guessing at possible scenarios.

So, why don't we wait out and see what happens?

[James Leet]

No-one, apart from our members request mods to delete posts.

And I think I could drum up a whole range of future-based scenarios to annoy myself with, but I think it would be best if we just deal with each situation as it crops up.

However, I think you have made a good point, but if anyone has actual EXPERIENCE of a product/service and complains on the forum - and the supplier is also a sponsor - I think that'll carry a lot more weight than someone who is just guessing at possible scenarios.

So, why don't we wait out and see what happens?

Tosh

It has happened, look at the recent Mr Willis posts, he posted about cordoning of the area you work in, people questioned this and he ignored the questions, it got uncomfortable for him and Washout , the rest is history the posts were locked

[windiewasher]

No-one, apart from our members request mods to delete posts.

And I think I could drum up a whole range of future-based scenarios to annoy myself with, but I think it would be best if we just deal with each situation as it crops up.

However, I think you have made a good point, but if anyone has actual EXPERIENCE of a product/service and complains on the forum - and the supplier is also a sponsor - I think that'll carry a lot more weight than someone who is just guessing at possible scenarios.

So, why don't we wait out and see what happens?

Tosh

It has happened, look at the recent Mr Willis posts, he posted about cordoning of the area you work in, people questioned this and he ignored the questions, it got uncomfortable for him and Washout , the rest is history the posts were locked

The plot thickens.
Mr willis asked for the posts to be locked.hmmmmm

[Tom White]

You guys! 

[DG Cleaning]

It seems Clean it up thinks otherwise, unless the debate is in favour of advertisers ?

from all the Andy Willis threads

Andy has yeat again renewed his advertising campaign with us which allows to put towards the costs of running, maintaining and keeping on top of this forum for you guys!

That's enough now - LOCKED.

Does this mean that advertisers have ' Carte blanche ' with topics they feel uncomfortable with ? or do mods / admin feel they need to protect a income stream and lock messages ?

This is terrible PR from forum admin.
No ones coming out of this looking good not least Andy Willis & Impact 43, if I was him I would be having serious words with forum admin

[James Leet]

It seems Clean it up thinks otherwise, unless the debate is in favour of advertisers ?

from all the Andy Willis threads

Andy has yeat again renewed his advertising campaign with us which allows to put towards the costs of running, maintaining and keeping on top of this forum for you guys!

That's enough now - LOCKED.

Does this mean that advertisers have ' Carte blanche ' with topics they feel uncomfortable with ? or do mods / admin feel they need to protect a income stream and lock messages ?

This is terrible PR from forum admin.
No ones coming out of this looking good not least Andy Willis & Impact 43, if I was him I would be having serious words with forum admin

I guess as Mr Willis had a number of days to answer the questions but always avoided them, He was happy enough to see the posts locked and fall down the page to be forgotten

[rosskesava]

I guess as Mr Willis had a number of days to answer the questions but always avoided them, He was happy enough to see the posts locked and fall down the page to be forgotten

We don't if that is true. As Admin havn't posted anything we just don't know.

I personally think it very disrespectful for who ever locked the thread to not have the common decency to say why.

[James Leet]

I guess as Mr Willis had a number of days to answer the questions but always avoided them, He was happy enough to see the posts locked and fall down the page to be forgotten

We don't if that is true. As Admin havn't posted anything we just don't know.

I personally think it very disrespectful for who ever locked the thread to not have the common decency to say why.

Does the Silence from both parties not say it all  ?

[rosskesava]

Does the Silence from both parties not say it all  ?

Unfortunately, the silence just breeds guesswork.

To my mind all it takes is for Admin to make a comment and as for why they won't, that is also guesswork. Maybe they're too busy or don't know or what ever but regardless, the silence doesn't come across well.

[Dave Willis]

They did answer pretty quickly to be honest (and locked it)

http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=161266.0