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Dave Garrett

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Hydrophobic to Hydrophilic with Bronze Wool?
« on: November 18, 2012, 10:06:01 am »
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Tom White

Re: Hydrophobic to Hydrophilic with Bronze Wool?
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2012, 10:12:27 am »
It doesn't matter too much what type of glass it is; and I can think of one instance where hydrophobic is better than hydrophilic.
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Window Washers

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Re: Hydrophobic to Hydrophilic with Bronze Wool?
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2012, 10:13:25 am »
Not tried it and the reason from the little information I know about it it does not last long and would cost you more in time trying to change it to hydrophilic with the only benefit of the water sheeting instead of beading for a while
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Dave Garrett

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Re: Hydrophobic to Hydrophilic with Bronze Wool?
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2012, 10:23:40 am »
Just that i have a couple of houses that no matter what ive tried they still spot custie family so not that worried so long as they are clean but started to get OCD where glass in concerned gonna give it a try i think
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Window Washers

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Re: Hydrophobic to Hydrophilic with Bronze Wool?
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2012, 10:30:00 am »
Quote from: Dave Garrett on November 18, 2012, 10:23:40 am
Just that i have a couple of houses that no matter what ive tried they still spot custie family so not that worried so long as they are clean but started to get OCD where glass in concerned gonna give it a try i think
could you video it if you do Dave ?
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Dave Garrett

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Re: Hydrophobic to Hydrophilic with Bronze Wool?
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2012, 10:33:20 am »
No sorry not that techie i'm afraid ,gonna pop over to B&Q this morn and purchase some and give it a go
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keyser soze

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Re: Hydrophobic to Hydrophilic with Bronze Wool?
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2012, 11:18:05 am »
Quote from: Dave Garrett on November 18, 2012, 10:33:20 am
No sorry not that techie i'm afraid ,gonna pop over to B&Q this morn and purchase some and give it a go





can you buy it from b and q ??
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Tom White

Re: Hydrophobic to Hydrophilic with Bronze Wool?
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2012, 11:20:11 am »
Quote from: Dave Garrett on November 18, 2012, 10:23:40 am
Just that i have a couple of houses that no matter what ive tried they still spot custie family so not that worried so long as they are clean but started to get OCD where glass in concerned gonna give it a try i think

It'll be something to do with the frames, or the seals, not the glass itself.  It doesn't matter if the glass spots or sheets when you clean it.

Well, actually, one instance I can think of where it does matter, it's the sheeting glass that causes problems.
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WISEOWL

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Re: Hydrophobic to Hydrophilic with Bronze Wool?
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2012, 12:51:13 pm »
If someone was to invent a solution that gauranteed sheeting water they would make a fortune.

I hate hydrophobic glass, and to be fair there are different extremes of beading - some is okay and comes with experience yet some is just a horrid pain and opens up anxieties about hoping they dry clean.

Touch wood I don't have any problems in a broad sense but I just wonder how much time and water I could save knowing the water that cascades down the window on hdrophillic does the same job as boringly working the brushhead over the glass.

Hydrophillic glass DOES look worse on a first clean but then we all know the risks of cleaning old windows and deal with it accordingly. It is also worth noting that hydrophillic glass kind of looks 'better' when wet as it doesn't have the 'rainy day' appearance and drains quicker.
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Dave Garrett

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Re: Hydrophobic to Hydrophilic with Bronze Wool?
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2012, 01:47:43 pm »
no wool in UK have to order from states ....Been told that white vinegar gives same result when added to pure water ?
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Window Washers

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Re: Hydrophobic to Hydrophilic with Bronze Wool?
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2012, 02:07:27 pm »
Quote from: WISEOWL on November 18, 2012, 12:51:13 pm
If someone was to invent a solution that gauranteed sheeting water they would make a fortune.

I hate hydrophobic glass, and to be fair there are different extremes of beading - some is okay and comes with experience yet some is just a horrid pain and opens up anxieties about hoping they dry clean.

Touch wood I don't have any problems in a broad sense but I just wonder how much time and water I could save knowing the water that cascades down the window on hdrophillic does the same job as boringly working the brushhead over the glass.

Hydrophillic glass DOES look worse on a first clean but then we all know the risks of cleaning old windows and deal with it accordingly. It is also worth noting that hydrophillic glass kind of looks 'better' when wet as it doesn't have the 'rainy day' appearance and drains quicker.
there are solutions like rain x and a host of others they cover surface of glass it is the application that's time consuming which means it is not something we could do commercially just to clean windows regular it could be used as an add on service though.
I am yet to find glass that does not dry spotless so I cannot comment as I only use 000 tds water if there is spots its user error from frames, vents, seals or from not cleaning or rinsing enough
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bobplum

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Re: Hydrophobic to Hydrophilic with Bronze Wool?
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2012, 02:51:28 pm »
imo some windows never take to WFP
and what's the problem if glass beads or sheets,i think this is all down to psychology on our behalf,if its clean then its clean regardless of the glass.
Why dont you use fan jets and just saturate the glass
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Window Washers

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Re: Hydrophobic to Hydrophilic with Bronze Wool?
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2012, 03:11:29 pm »
Quote from: bobplum on November 18, 2012, 02:51:28 pm
imo some windows never take to WFP
and what's the problem if glass beads or sheets,i think this is all down to psychology on our behalf,if its clean then its clean regardless of the glass.
Why dont you use fan jets and just saturate the glass

hydrophobic shoots the dirt into beads hence why we prefer hydrophilic which sheets taking dirt down with it, fan jets are better for hydrophilic glass if you want to use them as they cover more area I just fine them sloppy so use pencils
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A & J Owen Window Cleaning

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Re: Hydrophobic to Hydrophilic with Bronze Wool?
« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2012, 07:25:11 pm »
basically 8) its all down to the rinsing
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Dave Garrett

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Re: Hydrophobic to Hydrophilic with Bronze Wool?
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2012, 07:38:17 pm »
belieave me ive rinsed and rinsed these windows even paused for a long while and gone back over, still spot no matter what ....worst lately was after i had done a first clean inc gutters G101 over the brush etc but i still rinsed like you cant imagine ...Ordered a new brush from gardiners going to give the white vinegar a bash on these windows also
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richard jagger

Re: Hydrophobic to Hydrophilic with Bronze Wool?
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2012, 07:45:28 pm »
Dave try dunking your brush in a bucket of water after using G101 to remove all chemical before window cleaning.I also had a problem with these detergents sticking to the brush after first cleans and spotting glass. Until I dunked the bush into a custies water butt which stopped the spotting.Also increase the water flow rate. 
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Dave Garrett

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Re: Hydrophobic to Hydrophilic with Bronze Wool?
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2012, 08:29:21 pm »
Thanks Slumpy ...Using pure freedom set up and flow at 30 should i go higher ?
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richard jagger

Re: Hydrophobic to Hydrophilic with Bronze Wool?
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2012, 03:14:52 am »
Flow rate in psi does not effect the liters per min. Some have a 4 liter per minute I have a 7 liter per min some flow rate  will differ a back pack is 2.6 per minute. But you just need more water and a clean brush.Some advice saving water its not wise to save to much as we float the dirt off the glass and  dilute any chemical so a clean brush as the detergent will stick in the brush even when you hose it off. Submerse the brush  in clean water is the answer and it will clean the brush at the same time. The stronger the detergent the more difficult it is to desolve TRF is the worst. Ecover is the best  to brake down and rinse out. G101 is good I have not tried the other but will with time. Maybe you need to dilute a little more what ever you use.
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