[Smudger]

This has nothing to do with window cleaning but gives an insight on how the HSE and claim solicitors go about their duty, on local television last night a rail company has been fined and ordered to pay compensation the reason being a teenage boy climbed over a fence into a train yard then climbed up onto the top of one of the wagons and was then electrecuted by an overhead cable, the fence he climbed through had warnings of no tresspassing and warnings of high voltage electric.
    This was a tragic accident and it was decided the rail company had failed to provide proper security for the site and therfore found liable. In my opinion this ruling was absolutely stupid it wasnt a young child who could not read that had wandered onto an unsecured site and died this was some teenage lad seeking a thrill, although tragic surely the boy was old enough to take responsibility for his own actions and should never of got to court,
   My point being what we feel may be common sense rulings may not be the case when solicitors get hold of the matter

top post - and a good example to those that think H&S does not effect them.
i don't agree with most of it but like the good ol' US of A no one wants to take responsability to their actions
and are happy to blame and claim from another party

Darran

[rosskesava]

H & S is supposed to be about managing risk and reducing it to an acceptable level and not necessarily about eliminating it altogether.

To set up an area of safety on a flat roof (when I was doing roped access stuff) you had to first go on the roof in order to set up the safe area.

Now that I do ordinary window cleaning using wfp, what I do is cordon off the whole town before I work.

[brad t]

he did not tell me it is illegal if you dont, but he told me you will be liable it it all go's t1ts up

could you of coned it off ?
why did you not cone the area off ?
would they have got hit if the area was coned off ?
still think your not liable?

[DG Cleaning]

Does anyone know how many people were killed or seriously injured by wfp in the last 12 months? Perhaps there's been a lot, we just don't know enough to make an informed decision regarding cordoning off areas.

[richard jagger]

I have a cone saying "Caution ADREW WILLIS"

[Dave Willis]

When I electrocute myself on an overhead cable just make sure the electricity board get screwed in court please.

[Smudger]

yes there is a member on here who walked backward off a flat roof landing on a fire escape and railings
broken ribs and pelvis think it was 6 weeks before being able to work.

Darran

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

I feel sorry for all the abseilers out there. I mean, they more often than not start from a flat roof!

[Barnes Wallis]

News just in:

You are living illegally.  Kill yourself to solve this problem.

[James Leet]

Anyone who has been on one of Andrews Impact 43 courses remembers the first sentance he says, how much is your life worth ? and as the law says so far as reasonably practicle, the price of a few cones and a few minutes a day cordoning of areas is worth it, and any judge will support it.

whats the value of you or your employees or the publics lives............. most sensible people will agree PRICELESS

idealrob

Why do people who have been on the course feel the need to defend the course and then make statements like this ?

So when i clean a house, i have to cordon of 20 ft all around the house ? Would that not take more than a few minutes per day ? i would most of the time need to shut the pavement aswell ? lets be serious here, no-one would do it , except people like idealrob who have been on the course ?

[trevor perry]

Trev

Maybe because it is a bare wire, any untrained person should of not been allowed to come into contact with it no matter what the circumstances were.

Mayme the same reason pylons have tons of barbed wire around the base, although as a kid we used to climb half way up them

 no dave it was an overhead electric wire that  electric trains get there power from,  the kid actually climbed on top of the carriage and was electricuted, the rail yard fined now has to have 24hr security personel on the site

[Nameless Drudge]

A friend of mine has just paid £17,000 to demolish a pavillion on a disused bowling green,the site was secured and had the signs up but a survey deemed the roof unsafe and this meant a burgling scrote or an inquisitive minor might fall through it.As the land/building is currently held in trust with the bank as a trustee,the banks legal dept. considered the roof must be repaired or the building demolished to avoid possible  litigation from an injured "trespasser".

[Window Washers]

Anyone who has been on one of Andrews Impact 43 courses remembers the first sentance he says, how much is your life worth ? and as the law says so far as reasonably practicle, the price of a few cones and a few minutes a day cordoning of areas is worth it, and any judge will support it.

whats the value of you or your employees or the publics lives............. most sensible people will agree PRICELESS

idealrob

Why do people who have been on the course feel the need to defend the course and then make statements like this ?

why do you feel the need to talk about a course that you have not been on and clesrly know very little about James, can you not get the funding for it is as you seem to have a Big chip on your shoulder about it. I would bet you money you would learn something new that would help you that is of course if you don't know everything already.  Be interested to know the reel reason your trolling threads in it

[keyser soze]

id love to know the national stats on injuries to people resulting from accidents from wfp . someone must know right.

[Window Washers]

id love to know the national stats on injuries to people resulting from accidents from wfp . someone must know right.

why would you like to know them cowboy lol ( sorry that name makes me laugh)

[Nick Wareham]

why would you like to know them cowboy lol ( sorry that name makes me laugh)

Because if there were any (which I highly doubt) they would likely say:

"Number of injuries caused by falling poles : ZERO"

The point being that this isn't a significant risk, and certainly not one that would require courdons to be placed.  Doing so is simply disproportionate to the risk involved and would never be considered 'reasonably practicable'.

Andy Willis and his crew are clearly coming up with idiotic statements like 'over 90% of window cleaning with waterfed poles doesn't comply with the law' to scare people into coming on their training course, and continue claiming money for the government for each one.  His whole business depends on this so of course he's going to try to scare people into thinking they need training any way he can.

If you can't see that his only objective is to get people to do his course then you are naive.  If he had the window cleaner's interests at heart, he wouldn't want to see us burdened with unnessassry regulations, let alone be interpreting them to wrongly imply that we need to do something the law doesnt require.

[James Leet]

Anyone who has been on one of Andrews Impact 43 courses remembers the first sentance he says, how much is your life worth ? and as the law says so far as reasonably practicle, the price of a few cones and a few minutes a day cordoning of areas is worth it, and any judge will support it.

whats the value of you or your employees or the publics lives............. most sensible people will agree PRICELESS

idealrob

Why do people who have been on the course feel the need to defend the course and then make statements like this ?

why do you feel the need to talk about a course that you have not been on and clesrly know very little about James, can you not get the funding for it is as you seem to have a Big chip on your shoulder about it. I would bet you money you would learn something new that would help you that is of course if you don't know everything already.  Be interested to know the reel reason your trolling threads in it

Getting tetchy now eh Mr Washers ( is that your real name ? ) , i wonder if it has anything to do with me asking about your ' vested interest ' in these topics ?

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

why would you like to know them cowboy lol ( sorry that name makes me laugh)

Because if there were any (which I highly doubt) they would likely say:

"Number of injuries caused by falling poles : ZERO"

The point being that this isn't a significant risk, and certainly not one that would require courdons to be placed.  Doing so is simply disproportionate to the risk involved and would never be considered 'reasonably practicable'.

Andy Willis and his crew are clearly coming up with idiotic statements like 'over 90% of window cleaning with waterfed poles doesn't comply with the law' to scare people into coming on their training course, and continue claiming money for the government for each one.  His whole business depends on this so of course he's going to try to scare people into thinking they need training any way he can.

If you can't see that his only objective is to get people to do his course then you are naive.  If he had the window cleaner's interests at heart, he wouldn't want to see us burdened with unnessassry regulations, let alone be interpreting them to wrongly imply that we need to do something the law doesnt require.

+1

[James Leet]

why would you like to know them cowboy lol ( sorry that name makes me laugh)

Because if there were any (which I highly doubt) they would likely say:

"Number of injuries caused by falling poles : ZERO"

The point being that this isn't a significant risk, and certainly not one that would require courdons to be placed.  Doing so is simply disproportionate to the risk involved and would never be considered 'reasonably practicable'.

Andy Willis and his crew are clearly coming up with idiotic statements like 'over 90% of window cleaning with waterfed poles doesn't comply with the law' to scare people into coming on their training course, and continue claiming money for the government for each one.  His whole business depends on this so of course he's going to try to scare people into thinking they need training any way he can.

If you can't see that his only objective is to get people to do his course then you are naive.  If he had the window cleaner's interests at heart, he wouldn't want to see us burdened with unnessassry regulations, let alone be interpreting them to wrongly imply that we need to do something the law doesnt require.

+1

+2

Add to that people like Washers adding fuel to the fire and shouting down people who do not buy this rubbish

[Perfect Windows]

I have actually seen someone trip over a cone

i have actually tripped over one of my own cones

First day I ever used a cone, I was looking at it while I was walking back to the van and tripped over the hose reel.

Vin