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robbo333

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Re: Gardiners pole hose
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2012, 03:03:03 pm »
"However having said all of this you mention that your hose is not fitting into the pole valve without slight weeping. Could you email me on alex@agardiner.co.uk so that I can address this issue for you as this should not be happening and I would like to get this sorted for you."


Same thing happened on both my Gardiners poles. First pole I mentioned it and got two free inserts sent out, (thank you). Second pole I mentioned the potential problem on the phone, when I was buying it, and was told it won't leak. Did it? Oh yes. Luckily for me (or not) I had bought two inserts!
It's little things like that, that just take the edge off of otherwise good service. Got a free cap though...very much appreciated.
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traps7

Re: Gardiners pole hose
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2012, 06:09:07 pm »
Alex. Thanks for the offer but the weeping is not really a big deal. Not to send back or anything. I just use the inserts and a couple of cable ties.

Neil Gornall

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Re: Gardiners pole hose
« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2012, 06:14:55 pm »
I have just ordered 100m of the 7.8mm.

I did prefer the softer stuff Gardiners used to sell but the new stuff lasts well and at under £11 for 100m I don't think anyone can complain.  (but they will)   ;D  
Well it looks like it's me that's complaining. Have had the 7.8mm hose for a week or so and my blokes are close to mutiny.
I am normally a fan of stuff from Gardiners but the 80m of hose I have left will be going in the bin.
It has slowed production to a crawl as the lads spend all day untangling it.
One of my guys went in the bin today a got his old hose with holes in, repaired it with tape and put it back on his pole coz he hates the new stuff so much.
So I guess I need to find a new hose supplier. Sorry Alex but I think you got this stuff very wrong. I have been using poles since about 2004 and this is easily the worst stuff I have had.

DeLuce

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Re: Gardiners pole hose
« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2012, 06:49:53 pm »
I'm using the newer Gardiner hose and definitely think the way you coil it up after a job matters. Coil it to tightly and it coils up at the base of the pole as you try to extend it. But coil it more loosely and it's fine. Also, when it starts to get cooler, I put my immersion heater on that's in my tank so as to warm the water a bit which helps keep the hose supple. Much easier to work with then.

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Gardiners pole hose
« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2012, 07:49:07 pm »
I have just ordered 100m of the 7.8mm.

I did prefer the softer stuff Gardiners used to sell but the new stuff lasts well and at under £11 for 100m I don't think anyone can complain.  (but they will)   ;D  
Well it looks like it's me that's complaining. Have had the 7.8mm hose for a week or so and my blokes are close to mutiny.
I am normally a fan of stuff from Gardiners but the 80m of hose I have left will be going in the bin.
It has slowed production to a crawl as the lads spend all day untangling it.
One of my guys went in the bin today a got his old hose with holes in, repaired it with tape and put it back on his pole coz he hates the new stuff so much.
So I guess I need to find a new hose supplier. Sorry Alex but I think you got this stuff very wrong. I have been using poles since about 2004 and this is easily the worst stuff I have had.

Hi Neil

Thank you for your observation.  I am sorry that you and your workers are not getting on with it. Just to clarify we are talking about the 7.8mm od that is currently 'on sale' for £10.95 for 100 metres not our standard pole hose.

I could respond to your findings in several ways so here are some of my replies  :)

1. New pole usually needs a good couple of weeks of use to wear in to standard use - as you will know from your experience.

2. It could be memory effect from being in a roll for a long time. To prevent this what can really help is to condition it before use. Cut off the length you need from the main roll and then fill a bucket with near boiling water (couple of boiled kettles with the rest tap hot) and submerge the hose in it for 20 or 30 seconds. Then remove the hose and loosely coil the hose in about a 50cm diameter coil and leave for a few hours like this. When you then come to use it for the first time it should be a lot more usable and give you less hassle.

3. A lot is down to personal taste as we have lots of clients who have bought this 7.8mm hose on sale and really like it, particularly in the colder weather as it is slightly softer than the standard 8mm hose (due to thinner wall). Personally I prefer this softer 7.8mm hose to our standard stuff that is twice the price.


Answer 3 is actually the most relevant as what one client loves another hates.

In reality this is something that I am in the middle of trying to address once and for all. It has been several years since we were able to get hose that we were truly happy with. In fact we changed away from our original manufacturer because they changed the compound on us without warning and refused to admit the change. We have continued with (IMO) a more basic hose that does the job, but I believe that we can do better.

I have many different samples and compounds in front of me as I type trying to assess the good points of each (if they have them). Bore, OD, wall thickness, compound etc. all have a part to play in the way the hose performs. I currently have 5 different pole hoses in use in my van so that I can experience exactly how they work out in the field. I am trying to be able to have manufactured a hose that works well with all of our fittings, is supple enough to work well without memory, but not so soft that it tangles too easily. Also it will need to perform well in the summer heat without getting too soft, but remain supple enough in -0°C temperatures that we get in the winter. I am confident that we can achieve this as I do have some of my original hose that used to do all of this so well.

I would like to get this sorted for everyone's sakes  :)

Dave Willis

Re: Gardiners pole hose
« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2012, 07:54:44 pm »
Alex, have you sourced the hose that Sureclean sells? It's basic hose, fairly cheap and doesn't need inserts. I can't believe he is the only one who orders it. It's the best I've found hot or cold.

Granny

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Re: Gardiners pole hose
« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2012, 08:10:57 pm »
I'm using the newer Gardiner hose and definitely think the way you coil it up after a job matters. Coil it to tightly and it coils up at the base of the pole as you try to extend it. But coil it more loosely and it's fine.

I have posted on this before but I am convinced a lot has to do with the operator and how they twist the pole when
raising and lowering and how they pack away the hose at the end of the job.
Whenever my missus uses any of my poles the hose is in a right tangle afterwards. I don't have a problem with twisting or kinking with the "new and hard" Gardiners hose. I just spin the brush head 3 or 4 times a couple of times a day.
However one question for Alex -  as you are testing different hoses.
Is it possible to have a pole hose with a different colour line all the way along the hose just like speaker cable has to help identify the positive lead?
This way when the hose is twisted we could easily see whether to spin the brush head clockwise or anti-clockwise to straighten it up or when it is released from the connectors which way to twist to get it straight.
Just a thought :)

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Gardiners pole hose
« Reply #29 on: November 27, 2012, 08:14:55 pm »
Alex, have you sourced the hose that Sureclean sells? It's basic hose, fairly cheap and doesn't need inserts. I can't believe he is the only one who orders it. It's the best I've found hot or cold.

I haven't sourced this hose - but it may be worth me trying it out before deciding.

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Gardiners pole hose
« Reply #30 on: November 27, 2012, 08:16:59 pm »
Alex, have you sourced the hose that Sureclean sells? It's basic hose, fairly cheap and doesn't need inserts. I can't believe he is the only one who orders it. It's the best I've found hot or cold.

Yellow or Black?

Dave Willis

Re: Gardiners pole hose
« Reply #31 on: November 27, 2012, 08:25:26 pm »
Yellow

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Gardiners pole hose
« Reply #32 on: November 27, 2012, 08:32:37 pm »
Yellow

Thanks - I will add it into the trial process.

robbo333

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Re: Gardiners pole hose
« Reply #33 on: November 27, 2012, 08:33:00 pm »
I'm using the newer Gardiner hose and definitely think the way you coil it up after a job matters. Coil it to tightly and it coils up at the base of the pole as you try to extend it. But coil it more loosely and it's fine.

I have posted on this before but I am convinced a lot has to do with the operator and how they twist the pole when
raising and lowering and how they pack away the hose at the end of the job.
Whenever my missus uses any of my poles the hose is in a right tangle afterwards. I don't have a problem with twisting or kinking with the "new and hard" Gardiners hose. I just spin the brush head 3 or 4 times a couple of times a day.
However one question for Alex -  as you are testing different hoses.
Is it possible to have a pole hose with a different colour line all the way along the hose just like speaker cable has to help identify the positive lead?

This way when the hose is twisted we could easily see whether to spin the brush head clockwise or anti-clockwise to straighten it up or when it is released from the connectors which way to twist to get it straight.
Just a thought :)

This is interesting, because i've given it a go and it seems to work. Not sure which way to turn it initially though! So you either wind it up worse or make it better. Some sort of swivel fitting (like when you're fishing) would be a good! Any ideas?
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Alex Gardiner

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Re: Gardiners pole hose
« Reply #34 on: November 27, 2012, 08:39:19 pm »
I'm using the newer Gardiner hose and definitely think the way you coil it up after a job matters. Coil it to tightly and it coils up at the base of the pole as you try to extend it. But coil it more loosely and it's fine.

I have posted on this before but I am convinced a lot has to do with the operator and how they twist the pole when
raising and lowering and how they pack away the hose at the end of the job.
Whenever my missus uses any of my poles the hose is in a right tangle afterwards. I don't have a problem with twisting or kinking with the "new and hard" Gardiners hose. I just spin the brush head 3 or 4 times a couple of times a day.
However one question for Alex -  as you are testing different hoses.
Is it possible to have a pole hose with a different colour line all the way along the hose just like speaker cable has to help identify the positive lead?
This way when the hose is twisted we could easily see whether to spin the brush head clockwise or anti-clockwise to straighten it up or when it is released from the connectors which way to twist to get it straight.
Just a thought :)

Good thought - I will look into this.