[geefree]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/wfp-window-cleaning-round-/181023672973?pt=UK_HomeGarden_CLV_Cleaning_CA&hash=item2a25da0a8d

[trevor perry]

if the round is well established and are decent prices then 10x monthly is what a lot of rounds sell for in lancashire, personally i would only pay between 7 and 8x

[Crystal-clear]

if the round is well established and are decent prices then 10x monthly is what a lot of rounds sell for in lancashire, personally i would only pay between 7 and 8x

3 cleans if im buying 10 if im selling

[johnny bravo]

£4000 at the most.

[bobplum]

its what anyone is prepared to pay

[Moderator David@stives]

Trev do you want to buy mine ?

[supernova77]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/wfp-window-cleaning-round-/181023672973?pt=UK_HomeGarden_CLV_Cleaning_CA&hash=item2a25da0a8d

Looks like someone who's started to setup but now giving up because winter is on its way

[andyjm1]

Surely it's worth what someone is prepared to bid which at the moment is about £6 

[Blue Frog Systems]

All new builds tells me its newly canvassed work that has been cleaned once (two at a push) and the person is looking for some easy money.

If it is new work then its not worth anywhere near what hes asking. I had a round builder get me £900 worth of monthly work, come the second clean it was £550 after the people who wanted it done once or ring you next time i want them cleaning were off

[trevor perry]

Trev do you want to buy mine ?

 is the stress of not being able to spend the amount you make getting too much for you dave

[andrew hamshare]

imho the true value of our customer bases is increasing.  we need to realise just what our business acumen is worth, and see ourselves as 'owning' good reliable income streams to potential buyers.

I think it's called 'residual income' in business terms?

[Andrew Willis]

Trev do you want to buy mine ?

 is the stress of not being able to spend the amount you make getting too much for you dave

 

[CleanClear]

imho the true value of our customer bases is increasing.  we need to realise just what our business acumen is worth, and see ourselves as 'owning' good reliable income streams to potential buyers.

I think it's called 'residual income' in business terms?

Anyone who buys or sells rounds i wouldn't consider to have 'business accumen'. Also the job is labour intensive and costs are relative. One of the first questions people ask is how many man hours for the money. If the profit margin is very high them the round is susceptible to price competition , or as some here call undercutting, if its priced low then it'll come as underpriced. The term 'underpriced' is a misnomer in itself as it will depend upon who is doing the cleaning. A sole trader may be happy to earn £18 PH and a 'concern' may need £30 PH to break even after costs (wages). I'm struggling to think of a good idea why such a personalised service as window cleaning would be a reliable income stream to 'whoever' has the work. I'd of thought it totally dependent upon the service levels /customer service of the operator. Also the notion 'not to undercut' is in itself a restriction of trade to the detriment of the customer. That said if these rounds for sale where such good value for money and showed such good returns surely you see them on dragons den as according to whats written they present a great return? The reality is that at best you'll work a year for nothing, then you'll start to get paid for your work. Or worse you could work for nearly two years then get paid for your work. And you have paid grands just to be able to do that!! To actually get your investment back can take maybe five years or more (rough figures going by whats been advertised lateley).
 Your idea of 'residual income' is great if the vendor can guarantee it ? Do they, or do they just throw you the customer list and hope you do your best?
 BTW, i think if anyone pays more that x2 of a clean they are a mug. The cheapest way to obtain work is to canvass it, thats if we're still talking about using our 'business accumen'. To use it even further a better way is to actually undercut other window cleaners, which doesn't happen (often) and thats why i think not many window cleaners actually have the 'business accumen' that you alluded to.

[trevor perry]

imho the true value of our customer bases is increasing.  we need to realise just what our business acumen is worth, and see ourselves as 'owning' good reliable income streams to potential buyers.

I think it's called 'residual income' in business terms?

Anyone who buys or sells rounds i wouldn't consider to have 'business accumen'. Also the job is labour intensive and costs are relative. One of the first questions people ask is how many man hours for the money. If the profit margin is very high them the round is susceptible to price competition , or as some here call undercutting, if its priced low then it'll come as underpriced. The term 'underpriced' is a misnomer in itself as it will depend upon who is doing the cleaning. A sole trader may be happy to earn £18 PH and a 'concern' may need £30 PH to break even after costs (wages). I'm struggling to think of a good idea why such a personalised service as window cleaning would be a reliable income stream to 'whoever' has the work. I'd of thought it totally dependent upon the service levels /customer service of the operator. Also the notion 'not to undercut' is in itself a restriction of trade to the detriment of the customer. That said if these rounds for sale where such good value for money and showed such good returns surely you see them on dragons den as according to whats written they present a great return? The reality is that at best you'll work a year for nothing, then you'll start to get paid for your work. Or worse you could work for nearly two years then get paid for your work. And you have paid grands just to be able to do that!! To actually get your investment back can take maybe five years or more (rough figures going by whats been advertised lateley).
 Your idea of 'residual income' is great if the vendor can guarantee it ? Do they, or do they just throw you the customer list and hope you do your best?
 BTW, i think if anyone pays more that x2 of a clean they are a mug. The cheapest way to obtain work is to canvass it, thats if we're still talking about using our 'business accumen'. To use it even further a better way is to actually undercut other window cleaners, which doesn't happen (often) and thats why i think not many window cleaners actually have the 'business accumen' that you alluded to.

 i can see what you are saying but the advantage of buying a well established round is that usually the work is very compact so very little driving from one job to the other but i do agree you do need to be suspicious of why work is being sold

[keen n clean]

Mr.cleanclear you are talking absolute rubbish son........you say anyone who buys and sells rounds has no "business accumen".....well tell that to the thousands of win cleaners that have been buying and selling rounds for years,investment oportunitys come in many shapes and forms and cover a whole spectrum of business's......including window cleaning,there are many great potential rounds for sale as well as lots of crap just like in any business...window cleaning provides many people with a excellent income as well as those that are happy to earn far less.......with the word being HAPPY...............you say its good business to undercut............how stupid are you..ok so here we go................hello love i'll do your windows for £2 less than bob is doing them............"great we'll have you then".........2 months later the customer says she has found someone else who's doing it cheaper.....my point here is it doesn't work to undercut.....its that simple......just out of interest mate .....what do you actually do for a living?

[CleanClear]

Mr.cleanclear you are talking absolute rubbish son........you say anyone who buys and sells rounds has no "business accumen".....

I did say that and to be honest i take a bit of it back. Anyone who sells for 10x does have some accumen. But anyone buying them at that price is a mug. A quick look at the rounds for sale section reveals the latest two bits of work, £45 on a Saturday for sale at £350. And £91 worth of work for £650. Now my calculations tell me it will be over year before they break even (with their investment) never mind their time or wage bill. But like you say if they're HAPPY then who am i to knock it !!

......just out of interest mate .....what do you actually do for a living?

I'm a business advisor and stock market analyst, i'm getting into this window cleaning as a side line. I've advertised for some staff and i'm asking them to work for 10 months before i pay them £7 PH, i'm getting no takers. Maybe they're not realising the potential of investing their time?

Franchises are a good business route too, right up there with paying for a round and buying a system from Ionics !! LOL !! Business accumen, don't make me laugh.

[PoleKing]

3x
You're only buying good will nothing tangible.
Lad i know paid 5x and lost 1/4 in a month-said they we're leaving the old guy anyway.
Once he had his money what could he do?!

www.laneswindowcleaning.com