[Paul H]

Richy - i left a 42k p/yr job to go self employed in the cleaning game not 18months ago

Without going into whys how and what fors i standby my decision.

Being self employed and in charge of my own destiny is defo for me and i have finally found something that gives me a great work life balance.

Working for somone i couldn't go back too (but you cvan never say never depending whats around the corner).. but hopefully it wont come to that...

There are postives in regular gauranteed monthly income sick pay etc... paid holiday sand the likes...

You mention this is a family member  (hmm be careful on that one the family / friend connection often doesn't work out).. whilst sounding attractive at first...

You clearlt aim high with your set up however it sounds like this is your main gripe and seems to be the thing that stresses you the most..

59k for your round / work is clearly not to be sniffed at... i'm not sure what cycle your work is costed on but clearly consider selling some of it off scaling back to just yourself and i'm sure you can still be well off on a weekly basis with no stress ....

Being employed by someone isn't all it cracked up to be ... and i'm sure if you do take the role.. when the novelty wears off you will realise that you where better off being self employed,,

[Crystal-clear]

  ritchy
if managing the round is too stressful
why dont you scale right down to one van 2 men and drop the 20% of headache customers?

so you and a 2nd pole person so you are out every day with a helper ( i remember saying you aint keen on the cleaning side ) this way you have some help you will make alot more then your job too then maybe build up again if you fancy it at later date,

also dont forget that £59k asking price if you got it wouldnt be treated as a capitol gains tax £10,600 allowence i dont think but ask your accountant as its just names and numbers, but guessing it will just go on top of your earnings so on top of what you already made for the year you be taxed a few quid mate...

would it really be worth it selling up all the last couple of years hard work just think about that!

[richywilts]

ive not been employed for prob 7-8 years so it'd be very strange i agree i have over complicated things and aimed big but had some bleeding nightmares to deal with in the last year that have de railed my progress i just constantly feel i take 2 steps forward and three back all the time i've had a rough time but not one for crying out for sympathy i just get on with it but never really had a chance to put things in perspective coz, ive been so stuck in rut of sorting things out getting back on track maybe it a welcome time for a change

[supernova77]

Ritchy - How much is your round worth per month?

Andy

[richywilts]

im not sure ive not got the work computer on me think roughly £10,000-£11,000 every 6 weeks

[supernova77]

im not sure ive not got the work computer on me think roughly £10,000-£11,000 every 6 weeks

So it only takes you 6 months to turnover £59k - Once you've sold it its gone... Think long and hard...

Andy 

[sunshine windows]

Are you vat registered Richy?

[[GQC] Tim]

The topic contains a lot of wind...........again.

why would i waste me time posting if i can sell my work n walk away with 30-40k and start a 9-5 job on 25k what would you do have a lot less stress and less hours working its killing me to decide to be honest what to do leaving something unfinished

Your giving up your business for 25k a year? Sorry but that must be a joke? If your customer base is really that great you should retain the best jobs and keep going as a self employed window cleaner. You would earn a heck of a lot more then 25k a year. And change all that for a pencil pushing H&S job? Bit confused here mate.  

Bit sad in a way I sold my van to you now as it's just going to be sold on or scrapped.         Oh well......

[AuRavelling79]

Yes I do ,he speaks his mind I see many posts and warriors slating him ,but from what I gather his business is successful ,I wouldn't be suprised if many are jealous

magic moments, you have only been here since Dec 2011, go back to some of Richie's earlier posts and you will see a pattern.

There is certainly no jealousy from my corner of hundred acre wood, if Richy has 10K/11K every six weeks then he is turning over about 90K. Just enough to be paying VAT; just enough to "need" a unit with attendant rent. Just enough to waste your money on a job club of "not very useful" employees.

If I was turning over 90K a year I know exactly what I would do with it.

I can understand Richy being jarred off and finding it complicated but all he need do is sell off the least viable 20K and then work the rest with a full timer and a part timer in one van (cost 25K) turning over 45K; then put himself on 3 days on the tools paying himself 20K and turning over 25K - he can then put 25K a year to one side to cover running costs and from it take about 10K as profit.

[G Griffin]

Richy, maybe try and sort your head out before doing anything. I think you will have some troubles whatever job you choose to do; you'll just take them with you.
I reckon running your business just exacerbates the problems you face. They are in your head and I don't think work is the cause of them.
I'm not having a go, we all have stuff going on in our head, but I think if you sort yours out, you'll find running your business easier.

[gary999]

i always get the impression with you that you really dont want  to do any physicalwork

if thats the case scaling back ti just you and a van really isnt going to work,why dont you
rent your work out until you have worked out if this new thing is really for you,at least
then you can make a proper imformed decision instead of bouncing off the walls with
your decisions

[mark dew]

For some nutter who has a map by his toilet to show him which way to wave his willy when he pee's, is doing incredibly well to have got to where he is now.
Trim away the drama and i would think very few on here have as good as richy.
Although he does a great impression being as halpless as a feather in the wind, 90k a year of business isn't something that someone just stumbles on.
It takes hard work.
 

[richywilts]

cheers for nice comment mark, if i hadnt had all the dramas mate over the last year and been able to concentrate purely on building the business id of expected to have at least three times that n prob be turning over 300k but lifes a rollercoaster n has its ups and downs.that's life

glad to see someone has bit of respect for me on here

[richywilts]

i always get the impression with you that you really dont want  to do any physicalwork

if thats the case scaling back ti just you and a van really isnt going to work,why dont you
rent your work out until you have worked out if this new thing is really for you,at least
then you can make a proper imformed decision instead of bouncing off the walls with
your decisions

gary you have got wrong impression i do actually enjoy physically cleaning the windows if you gave me a nice big job id happily smash it in a day and have high quality work, but i suppose my motivation drops when your in n out the van all day then the customers begin moaning or saying not today, my head goes in all fairness

[Smudger]

this is the interesting part of a forum, as you don't really know who or what your dealing with.
only a few like bob and Ian have actually met richy so possibly they are the one's who could comment,
when i first joined i was impressed by richys web site, and flyer he posted he looked the bee's  but
some of the post and increasingly so make him out to be, quite frankly a tool.!

i have the strong impression richy does not want to or care for the cleaning side of things - and thats how you
come across richy also one week your biz is making 100k + then when you should be vat reg it only making 30k 

i think in there somewhere is a good business man who can build up a window cleaning biz

BUT

he gets sidetracked with the trappings of believing he is a manager of a multi national and can sit around all day
playing with his executive toy - employ other non productive staff members like a PA - sales manager etc..
and this may be richy's downfall to really growing his biz.

i don't think changing to a PAYE job for £25k is the anwser he's looking for either, buy hey ho it's his decision
to make.

Darran

[gary999]

i always get the impression with you that you really dont want  to do any physicalwork

if thats the case scaling back ti just you and a van really isnt going to work,why dont you
rent your work out until you have worked out if this new thing is really for you,at least
then you can make a proper imformed decision instead of bouncing off the walls with
your decisions

gary you have got wrong impression i do actually enjoy physically cleaning the windows if you gave me a nice big job id happily smash it in a day and have high quality work, but i suppose my motivation drops when your in n out the van all day then the customers begin moaning or saying not today, my head goes in all fairness

sorry didnt post correctly...i meant the physical part of the job which includes all of the above
wasnt meant as a slur

[Ian101]

i suppose my motivation drops when your in n out the van all day then the customers begin moaning or saying not today, my head goes in all fairness

theres your answer there Richy .... drop em there and then .... then no head going.

You have plenty of work to dump the dross I rekon.

I used to try and keep em all happy but decided to only work for decent / nice / reliable customers over a year ago and just stopped doing the rest .... simples ... enjoy my working day a lot more as no more "what we going to be walking into today" kinda feelings when you go to a PIA / messers house.

If I had the money mate I would buy the lot from you and take over the rental on the unit but from what your saying I rekon I would need to have a bit of a sort out of the customers but then I would have a cracking little business plus would carefully canvass replacements for the dross I had binned.

You may have to adjust downwards the amount of staff after u have binned some messers / dross but gotta think of number 1 first mate.

All of the above you can do for yourself and have a great business .... after so long you will wish you had stayed self employed but too late once its sold.

Good Luck !!! 

[James Leet]

Is this the same guy who lost his laptop and then could not remember his work 

Of course if you hadnt have had some drama's you would have 300 K of work, afterall you might have lost 200 K of work in the laptop theft

[richywilts]

Is this the same guy who lost his laptop and then could not remember his work 

Of course if you hadnt have had some drama's you would have 300 K of work, afterall you might have lost 200 K of work in the laptop theft

couldnt remember all the work coz it was newly canvassed by a canvasser

[DG Cleaning]

I'd think long and hard about it Richy. Have you ever been a manager in an office environment? There's a lot of stress involved especially if you move into the bigger jobs once you have the diploma. In my days in Oz I used to be national tenancy coordinator for a boat load of shopping centres in charge of all new shop fits nationwide. I never thought stress would affect me but it did I had a lot on my plate and it caused a lot of sleepless nights etc. My advice would be to find out as much as you can about the job, even spend a day there to get a feel for it. Take the NEBOSH while your still doing windows that will help inform your decision and it will come in handy should decide to grow your current business anyway. You've worked hard to get where your at.