[farkam]

Hi colleages,
First of all...It is very pleasure to surf and discuss in this useful forum,
many thanks for everybody who contributes their best in here 

Quick question...Does anybody of you leased their round to your cleaner before?
I'm planning to lease my round to my cleaner, it is approx. £1500+ work in a month, and thinking to lease for £700 month...and no control from me, he is doing job and retaining the round, whatever he earns, it is his money, doesn't matter if he wants to increase job, still his, i just keep my round and at the end i'll take it as it was (and compensated if he losses some work).
What do you think? any experiances in this matter?
Thanks in advance
   

[AuRavelling79]

How will you ensure you get your round back? And not many folk will work for £700/£1500.
£1200 out of £1500 maybe....

[farkam]

perhaps i should lease for £450-500 ?!

[lynngc]

personnaly i would not lease anything.

once he has your client's, if he's good at the service he provides, he'll have you clients away from you before you know it.

there's not a darn thing you can do about it, keep your clients to yourself, you worked hard to get them.


why not take him on as staff?  pay him a wage. keep the profits for yourself, and draw up a contract on the customers you provide him with.
lynn

[thewindowcleaner1]

Hi
I've started to do this.

I supply
£500 per week work (they Keep this figure if they lose any they replace)
Vehicle/maintain vehicle/Tax vehicle
Water fed pole and water
Do accounts
Keep round up to date
Advertise

They
 Work the round and collect
Add as many customers as they want to round (thier customers)
Put fuel in the vehicle
Insure the vehicle (through me)
Supply thier own ladders

As I add more vehicles to system I will buy any excess customers from them or sell them additional customers.

I charge 25% of the work that I put on the vehicle
ie £125 per week plus vehicle insurance.


So far I have My own van plus 1 on this system and have just put order in for third van (only spend around £700-800 per vehicle)
Had slight set back two weeks ago the other van was petrol bombed lost around £400 on the insurance pay out ( hence my change in thinking Buy cheap vehicles last a couple years and throw away)

As for the other van he clears around £500 - £600 a week  and is very happy as all he has to do is go to work all the officy stuff is taken care of

[farkam]

personnaly i would not lease anything.

once he has your client's, if he's good at the service he provides, he'll have you clients away from you before you know it.

why not take him on as staff?  pay him a wage. keep the profits for yourself, and draw up a contract on the customers you provide him with.
lynn

That guy is my friend, he can't take my work, i can sort this officially, on the papers if needed...
The thing i'm concerned is, that, he may be not motivated to work fully, as i give him wage, and kinda difficult to control...i don't know
thanks mate for advise

[farkam]

Hi
I've started to do this.

I supply
£500 per week work (they Keep this figure if they lose any they replace)
Vehicle/maintain vehicle/Tax vehicle
Water fed pole and water
Do accounts
Keep round up to date
Advertise

They
 Work the round and collect
Add as many customers as they want to round (thier customers)
Put fuel in the vehicle
Insure the vehicle (through me)
Supply thier own ladders

As I add more vehicles to system I will buy any excess customers from them or sell them additional customers.

I charge 25% of the work that I put on the vehicle
ie £125 per week plus vehicle insurance.

So far I have My own van plus 1 on this system and have just put order in for third van (only spend around £700-800 per vehicle)
Had slight set back two weeks ago the other van was petrol bombed lost around £400 on the insurance pay out ( hence my change in thinking Buy cheap vehicles last a couple years and throw away)

As for the other van he clears around £500 - £600 a week  and is very happy as all he has to do is go to work all the officy stuff is taken care of

very nice system though, my respects 
I think i can apply your system to my practice. That make sense.
 So far i was providing everything: car, ladders, insurance, even petrol! I'm giving him £150 week 
i feel he is a bit unmotivated for work.

what about if your stuff got sick or didn't work some days, do they still pay you?
and did you make any contract, officially with them?
Many thanks, i'm happy to receive some help on this issue 

[thewindowcleaner1]

what about if your stuff got sick or didn't work some days, do they still pay you?
and did you make any contract, officially with them?

If they are sick ect I class that as (not my problem)
But if for some reason I.e. The vehicle get's torched then I do not charge for anything except the insurance eliment,

Hopefully tyhis will not be a problem within the next couple of months as I intend to have a "spare" vehicle equiped and ready for these problems
 Three vans with one spare (no down time ) for any one Plus I have a vehicle ready for the next startup...

[Central Window Cleaners]

Hi Windowcleaner1 would you be willing to let me have a copy of your contract that you use. Do you have an invoice you use to pay him or for him to pay you that i could use please?

[D woods]

Hi Windowcleaner 1
I do not think the Inland Revenue will not accept the person leasing your round as self employed , have you  been advised by a charted accountant ?. If the
revenue investigate you it could be very exspensive.

[dave0123]

could i possible have a copy of ur contract ir a template sort of thing

thank youu

dave0123@merseymail.com

[thewindowcleaner1]

I set the system up along the lines of
I supply work, vehicle, and equipment,

they can then add as much or as little work as they want,

and although I charge a % it is enterd as a fixed charge for the above,(which is it as I only supply a set amount of work to opperate the round)The work is part of the package to help them kick start thier own bussiness

They work the round, and collect the money,s

As part of the fee I supply round management and accounting service along with the equipmemnt.

What they pay me they book out as an expence, what I recieve from them I recosd as income.

As far as contract go at present I am opperating on gentlemans agreement, this suits my purpose at present as I,m ironing out unforsean problems as we go
i.e. adding an addition charge (% based ) for vehicle servicing ect if an exceptable milliage allowance is used up
What would be considerd a reasonable life span of the equipment before I replace it ?
What quanty of water do I supply as part of the price ?

I do not think the Inland Revenue will not accept the person leasing your round as self employed

In answer to the above they do not lease the round they purchase a service and rent equipment from myself and I supply work to help them start up.