[magic moments]

Legaly you have no chance,despite what is set in print fron the law,as soon as you mention you bought a van in the dark,no test drive ,your be laughed out of court ,please see the fact,You ripped yourself off.......

[roundbuilder]

So Ben has been a bit naive and trusted a member on this site,the last thing he needs after probably losing a lot of dosh is to be told he is an idiot etc etc.

Agreed, and doesn't help with mouthy morons saying they wouldn't let anyone mug them off etc.

just saying how it is. im guessing you would do the same thing then and get mugged off and buy in the dark withought checking everything is how it should be???. maybe your a moron??? are you???

Nope I definitely am not. I feel the OP was naive and a bit fool hardy (by the way OP means original poster) but interweb loud mouths bragging about how clever they are really doesn't help anyone. Do you think it does?

PS Why do you try to sound like a gangsta with your "mugged off" nonsense?

You need to get with the times. How is saying mugged off gangsta talk. Ok how about someone through a ton of bricks at him. I hope that doesnt offend. I actualy feel sorry for him but end of the day who else but himself is to blame??

[Richard60]

their are honest people in this world .and their are rip off merchents . you have just met .mr .rip off .
    let this be a lesson to all of us
 

[Fin Clearview]

Sorry to hear all this Ben, no one decent likes to see someone get burnt. Like been said before if your not prepared to take Krave on for all this, just learn from it, be sharper next time, much sharper. Unfortunately there's always someone out there ready to have you over. Also don't be so keen to buy because they are so keen to sell, if you have doubts and just want to get it garage checked, wait. If it sells in the meantime - it wasn't meant to be. Many more vans out there.

Anyway best of luck sorting it out.

[Scrimble]

did you not see this? http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=156671.0

i'm selling a mint 45k miles vauxhall combo van with a 350l set up for what you paid for that bag of nails!

[Avo]

You can't trust anyone when it comes to money.. I feel for you mate and I hope you manage to get in touch with him..

[Pete10]

you are protected under the sale of goods act 1979, vehicle must be free from fault (asides from declared or known faults) any subsequent mechanical fault discovered within six months of the sale is deemed to have been present and undeclared at the time of sale and therefore is rectifiable at the expense of the seller.

You must adhere to procedure. Give the seller notification and opportunity to rectify faults, if no contact then you can have them rectified and pursue the seller via the small claims court for costs. Cost of doing this will be around 50-100 pounds. In my humble opinion your case is quite strong as the seller published his/her opinion of the vehicle on this forum and is therefore in the public domain rather than being merely a verbal assurance.

Note though a justifiable claim against the seller is only as good as his/her status, should they be bankrupt or"of no fixed abode" this will be a pointless exercise.

[[GQC] Tim]

take it your not going van fest to show your van off

sorry it looks like this guys had you mate i wouldnt know how to advise you but i know what i would certainly do id drive the van right thru his living room window and write it off and get your money back that way

must remember never to sell Richy a van or anything used  

Uh oh, he's got my old Berlingo!!! 

Good bloke though, he came all the way from Liverpool to Guildford on the train to pick it up.

[stuart mc]

you are protected under the sale of goods act 1979, vehicle must be free from fault (asides from declared or known faults) any subsequent mechanical fault discovered within six months of the sale is deemed to have been present and undeclared at the time of sale and therefore is rectifiable at the expense of the seller.

You must adhere to procedure. Give the seller notification and opportunity to rectify faults, if no contact then you can have them rectified and pursue the seller via the small claims court for costs. Cost of doing this will be around 50-100 pounds. In my humble opinion your case is quite strong as the seller published his/her opinion of the vehicle on this forum and is therefore in the public domain rather than being merely a verbal assurance.

Note though a justifiable claim against the seller is only as good as his/her status, should they be bankrupt or"of no fixed abode" this will be a pointless exercise.

really most of the faults are normal wear and tear and can happen at any time

track rod ends the seller doesn't have to know about, tyres inner wall the same, ball joints the same, brake light yes, damage to bumper cosmetic, paint job cosmetic, gearbox not sure, don't think it would fail a MOT for grinding, clutch wear and tear, it has 115k on the clock and was sold with no MOT (i think that bit is a bit unclear to me)

he has in no doubt been bumped for 3.5k but to buy a van with that mileage is just well, very silly

sorry and I feel for the poster, but you live and learn  

and there is nothing to stop the seller saying he advised verbally before sale

[ben smith1234]

I have some sympathy, I bought a Movano 2 years ago. Seemed ok drove well for 8 weeks until the engine blew up.

Lost me £2000 in the end.

Expensive lesson. Now I always take someone with me and don't rush any purchase.

I think buying a van after dark from a service station with no tax or insurance is just daft though. 

you could take someone with you all you want, there is no way of knowing an engine is going to go in 8 weeks time,

as for the OP what an idiot sorry handing over 3.5k for a van with no MOT or tax in a carpark, total madness

the van had tax and mot :S mot runs out january

[stuart mc]

sorry ben, me jumping to wrong conclusions as usual, I do feel for you mate, and at least I know never to do business with Krave

[johnny bravo]

just because they are in the same business as yourself     this is no reason to trust anyone selling items through this site., may i sugest the site not allow to sell vehicles    send them to ebay.   there are a lot of newbies turning to sites like this one,    they can be so gullable and naive  to someone who is more experienced.   there is a lot of genuine collegues on this site, i got myself a good deal on this site  ,  i otherwise would not have got.    you are the buyer,    no signed contract , buy as seen,     to loose a few hundred  is depressing    but to loose a few thousand and have to spend more is  aaaaaaaaaaaggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh.  its a learning process in life. you can acidently run him over with his dodgy van,    loosing controll, : :

[William McCafferty]

Ben

I am not too sure on the law regarding your purchase, but the first person you need to call is your local trading standards office, email them a copy of the advert and they will be able to advise on the course of actions open to you.

Personally I am not too sure whether Krave has on purpose ripped you off, he did state at first that he has not worked for months because of ill health, with this as a factor he might be unaware on the condition of the van.

Personally I would have gone to his address and explained that the van had more faults than was originally stated and try and come to a soluction that will work for both of you, ie, he gets the van repaired or refund you the cost of the repairs.

[KS Cleaning]

Legaly you have no chance,despite what is set in print fron the law,as soon as you mention you bought a van in the dark,no test drive ,your be laughed out of court ,please see the fact,You ripped yourself off.......

Another really helpfull post,the OP must be goin through a terrible time over this,and the best you can do is tell him he ripped himself off........what a muppet

[Bay View WCS]

you are protected under the sale of goods act 1979, vehicle must be free from fault (asides from declared or known faults) any subsequent mechanical fault discovered within six months of the sale is deemed to have been present and undeclared at the time of sale and therefore is rectifiable at the expense of the seller.

You must adhere to procedure. Give the seller notification and opportunity to rectify faults, if no contact then you can have them rectified and pursue the seller via the small claims court for costs. Cost of doing this will be around 50-100 pounds. In my humble opinion your case is quite strong as the seller published his/her opinion of the vehicle on this forum and is therefore in the public domain rather than being merely a verbal assurance.

Note though a justifiable claim against the seller is only as good as his/her status, should they be bankrupt or"of no fixed abode" this will be a pointless exercise.

Sorry but the above is not correct.  The sale of goods act 1979, in relation to being free from faults, only relates to items being sold in the course of a business.

There may be another argument regarding the representations made by the seller:

Also have a 56 reg renault trafic, 114000 miles. Fully rebuilt/recon head, water pump timing kit. This went on me 6 months ago. Done about 4000 miles since.

Van is nice, ply lines and wall carpeted in back. Think it had a almost full if not full service history, need to find paperwork.
mot jan, tax none.

very nice looking van, bar a slight respray on rear quarter. me being picky, not really noticeable, and the van does look v nice.

The 'Van is nice' comment may have been a comment as to how it looked and not whether it was mechanically sound.  As said above, some of the bad points may not have been noticed by the seller so to call them out as a 'rip off merchant' is taking it a bit far.

As others have said, it sounds like your desperation to get a van, coupled with trusting the comments from the seller, have led you to buying a van without the all-important inspection and test drive; even then things can be missed.

Try to get hold of the seller to see if you can agree some compromise - if not then I think you will have a hard time convincing a court that the fault lies with the seller and not you.

Sorry

Tom

[robert mitchell]

ok i accept the op has been a bit daft and im sure he will learn from it and not make the same mistake again, none of us are perfect.
However he bought the vehicle in good faith according to the description,foolish not to check it -yes certainly, but this krave character clearly would have known about most of these faults and is now not answering his phone.

what sort of a-hole lets someone drive their two year old child away in a van that he knows is unroadworthy?

tyres down to the metal?

Blow out waiting to happen.

if he had driven away ,his tyre burst and he had an accident causing injury or even death would people on here still be slagging the op off , calling him stupid etc?

only my opinion and i dont know this krave but he sounds like selfish nasty con artist to me.

[rosskesava]

I'd ask for a refund based on buying in good faith based on the advertised description.

If not, and I've done this in the past and successfully after buying a duff car, I'd go through the small claims court.

[king marko]

Just out of curiosity, you drove halfway to meet him at a service station with your 2yr old ?
How did you get the van back to your house?

[Pete10]

point taken Bay View, you could well be right on the business aspect, apologies, P

[Spruce]

One of the fundamental rules of buying a secondhand vehicle is to see it at the owners address, the one registered on the V5.

See DVLA guidelines.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/AdviceOnBuyingAndSellingAVehicle/DG_4022402

http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/@motor/documents/digitalasset/dg_186824.pdf