[ben smith1234]

i bought the renault traffic off this guy called KRAVE on here friday asked if there was any problem with the van and all that was said problem wise with the van was. parking sensors not working, heater control not working and batch of paint that had been resprayed that isnt that noticeable.

patch off paint is noticeable clearly, but the 3 things above i can live with thats not a problem... BUT........

took van to garage today and heres a shopping list of parts that need replacing-

-rear bumper corner split
-rear light broke
-needs new gearbox as grinding and wont select reverse gear
-new clutch as its slipping
- 2x track rod ends
-2x lower arm ball joints
-2x front tyres down to the metal on inner edge
the 3 above was recorded as an advisory on mot in january but never replace!!!!
- has an electrical fault meaning as you put your fut down on the throttle it doesnt rev.
as i bought this went to drive off and it would rev for 5 mins but then eventually started revving. i took this as a simple thing as a one off thing .......but now the van wont rev at all.

so tbf as you can imagine i am furious as was never told there was anymore problems than the 3 mentioned at top of page. so 3 days after paying £3500 for the van im having to spend a fortune to get it back running. no wonder he said he needed to get rid of it quickly!!!!!!

I could of bough a van for the same price with 1 minor problem which would of cost me £50 to repair. but i promised him i would have this van under the impression there was 3 things minor wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gto]

i don't see you've been ripped off, you had the chance to check the van over before buying it.

you could have had a garage give it a once over first.

[p1w1]

Did you not look the van over and test drive it first seems a few of the things mentioned would have been spotted like tyres, broken bumper rear light and I would of thought you would have checked previous mots and advisory slips, can understand why your peed off but by the sound of it you didn't really look it over properly.

[Dave Willis]

Yep, you've bought a load of crap. Some of those faults are nothing. The big ones you should have been able to spot yourself - did you not test drive it? Gearboxes are notorious on older vans.

[Tom White]

Unless Krave tried to hide any faults (and not disclosing faults is not classed as hiding them), then it's Caveat emptor, I'm afraid (buyer beware).

So I don't think you've been ripped off, not in any legal sense anyway.

[*Hector*]

However Krave may think that you have committed the civil crime of defamation of character...

The law is funny sometimes isn't it??

[SunShineCleaning]

Could you post pictures of the problems, say the tyres, on here?

[Gray1]

Did you not look the van over and test drive it first seems a few of the things mentioned would have been spotted like tyres, broken bumper rear light and I would of thought you would have checked previous mots and advisory slips, can understand why your peed off but by the sound of it you didn't really look it over properly.

I'm with p1w1 on this.  I worked in the motor trade for many years and some purchasers were just too eager to part with their cash.

[Dan crowther]

While in general the accepted unwritten rule is 'buyer beware' this has no basis in law. If you sell a vehicle whether privately or get it trade, the seller is obligated in law to ensure the vehicle is roadworthy (mot passable is the generally accepted definition although other factors do come into it) whether sold with an mot or not. Most of us, as we maybe have little knowledge of vehicles, rely on the honesty of the seller to inform us of problems (which they are obligated to do, it is there responsibility to know the exact condition of what they are selling and to give full disclosure of such.)
The following is part of the law...

'The Road Traffic Act makes it illegal for anyone to sell a car that is not roadworthy. This applies equally to private sellers and car dealers. Anyone who sells an unroadworthy car may be prosecuted and fined £5000. If you are found driving an unroadworthy car, you can also get points on your driving licence, and even be fined.
If you've been sold an unroadworthy car, you can get the seller to put the problem right. You can also report them to Trading Standards, who may take action against them.'

Look it up if you would like more info. I feel for you, I too have been ripped off (although I would not label krave with this term as I don't know him and his intent with regard to this) with a car I bought. I scrapped it as it wasn't an economical repair and I wasn't aware of my rights in law at the time.
You would have to have an engineer assess the vehicle and if shown to be unroadworthy you can take the seller to court although you first need to give the seller the opportunity to rectify the problems.
The 'buyer beware' principal is good in that it can save us a lot of trouble if we get the vehicle assessed before buying. Honest sellers will not usually mind the vehicle being looked over by a professional. Well worth paying a bit for a pro to look at it if spending a lot. If I'd payed 1000s then I'd take action to sort it out.

[Mike #1]

Sorry mate but nobody in their right mind , buys a second hand van or car without checking it over throughly and test driving it . Mike

[Gray1]

While in general the accepted unwritten rule is 'buyer beware' this has no basis in law. If you sell a vehicle whether privately or get it trade, the seller is obligated in law to ensure the vehicle is roadworthy (mot passable is the generally accepted definition although other factors do come into it) whether sold with an mot or not. Most of us, as we maybe have little knowledge of vehicles, rely on the honesty of the seller to inform us of problems (which they are obligated to do, it is there responsibility to know the exact condition of what they are selling and to give full disclosure of such.)
The following is part of the law...

'The Road Traffic Act makes it illegal for anyone to sell a car that is not roadworthy. This applies equally to private sellers and car dealers. Anyone who sells an unroadworthy car may be prosecuted and fined £5000. If you are found driving an unroadworthy car, you can also get points on your driving licence, and even be fined.
If you've been sold an unroadworthy car, you can get the seller to put the problem right. You can also report them to Trading Standards, who may take action against them.'

Look it up if you would like more info. I feel for you, I too have been ripped off (although I would not label krave with this term as I don't know him and his intent with regard to this) with a car I bought. I scrapped it as it wasn't an economical repair and I wasn't aware of my rights in law at the time.
You would have to have an engineer assess the vehicle and if shown to be unroadworthy you can take the seller to court although you first need to give the seller the opportunity to rectify the problems.
The 'buyer beware' principal is good in that it can save us a lot of trouble if we get the vehicle assessed before buying. Honest sellers will not usually mind the vehicle being looked over by a professional. Well worth paying a bit for a pro to look at it if spending a lot. If I'd payed 1000s then I'd take action to sort it out.

I noticed you mised out the bit about  "the price paid... and the conditions of sale... If he was made aware that defects were on the vehicle then he accepted the quality of the goods that were for sale. Mabe the seller would like a second opinion on the purchasers 'Mechanic' as to what was defective. Mabe the 'Mechanic' was ripping him off as well!

[Mike_G]

Did you pick the van up in the middle of the night? Surely you would of spotted half of the extra things wrong with the van by just walking around it? You should of just said no thanks and drove home

[KS Cleaning]

I agree with most that you should have got the van checked over,however it does seem that he hasn't given you a true description of the van,why don't you ask him for your money back,if he refuses,he has been named and shamed.

[gto]

what if he didn't know those problems where there.

my van when't in for its MOT last year cost me £400, this year cost me £6.
both times drove exactly the same, and seemed fine both times.

[KS Cleaning]

what if he didn't know those problems where there.

my van when't in for its MOT last year cost me £400, this year cost me £6.
both times drove exactly the same, and seemed fine both times.

I'm sure he would be aware of the grinding and the difficulty getting into reverse,also the problem with the revs.If you read the OP there was advisorys on the last MOT in January and nothin has been fixed,so the seller was fully aware of some of the faults.

[Lee GLS]

I'm sorry, but this is your own fault. MOT advisories do not have to be carried out, I've had cars that crop up with the same advisory for years before it needs replacing, what one garage picks up on, another garage might not. As for the bumper and rear light, you should have spotted these, and the crunching gear you should have picked up on a test drive.

[Scrimble]

agree with lee on this one, you should have checked over the van yourself before parting with your cash, i mean come on tyres with wire showing?? are you blind?

vivaro's are money pits when they are old sounds like your better off weighing yours in

[ben smith1234]

met him halfway at a service station,was dark by the time he got to me cus there was a accident on the motorway when he was 15 mins away. i was only told that it had mot and ran out in january and the van hasnt been driven for 9 months. you cant exactly test drive in a service station can park and i didnt need to use reverse gear until i got home and it wouldnt select then started grinding. tyres are good for tread on the outside and centre so didnt see them down to the wire on the inner edge

[ben smith1234]

i was only told about the 3 problems as said above,,,, parking sensor, heater control, paint miscoloured

[roundbuilder]

What idiot buys a van without viewing first. Sold as seen. Your own fault krave must have been waiting for a mug to buy van and you was it sadly.