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Fin Clearview

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Shurflo/varistream Flashing 'p' ?
« on: September 04, 2012, 08:35:54 pm »
Does anyone know what this means apart from 'pedoff' as no water coming through?

Fin Clearview

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Re: Shurflo/varistream Flashing 'p' ?
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2012, 09:04:38 pm »
Here's my headache for anyone that can help...

Fitted new Shurflo pump. All wired correct. The first time I tested it no problems but I had to fix leak at DI, all done so re tested but no water coming through so I disconnect the DI but still no water, so I cranked pump up which motor was running fine, still no water and then pump stopped and was flashing 'p'. instructions say p means max pressure reached but nothing more, no troubleshooting on how to fix.

Spruce

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Re: Shurflo/varistream Flashing 'p' ?
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2012, 09:28:57 pm »
Here's my headache for anyone that can help...

Fitted new Shurflo pump. All wired correct. The first time I tested it no problems but I had to fix leak at DI, all done so re tested but no water coming through so I disconnect the DI but still no water, so I cranked pump up which motor was running fine, still no water and then pump stopped and was flashing 'p'. instructions say p means max pressure reached but nothing more, no troubleshooting on how to fix.

Yes - P is pressure reached. It could also be air pressure reached. It sounds to me as though you either have a blockage after the pump, or you pump is sucking air between the tank and it, usually at the strainer couplings in my experience.

What happens if you just run a short hose from the pump? If you have a tap on the tank, have you switched it on/opened it?

If you disconnect the pipe at the di, does the pump run and pump water. If it does then the problem is at or after the di. We have had several issues with auto stop hoselok type connectors not working properly and this seems to be a fairly common way of connecting up the di.

Spruce
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

Spruce

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Re: Shurflo/varistream Flashing 'p' ?
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2012, 09:42:21 pm »
With mechanical trouble shooting the first question we were taught to ask is what changed when things started to go wrong.

If you can't find the problem this way, then start at the very begining and work forwards - in our case the tank, tank outlet, pipe to pump etc.


Once you have identified and fixed the issue - which will be something minor, the next important thing to do is fit an isolator switch on the positive (red) wire from the battery close to the Varistream. Then at the end of the day switch that off. A Varistream consumes power even when switched off which takes about 25 amps from an 85 amp battery over a period of a week.

This works fine.

http://www.screwfix.com/p/lap-1-gang-10a-switch-ip55-240v/47152

You just need to wire it up correctly so it opens and shuts the power supply.

Spruce
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

[GQC] Tim

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Re: Shurflo/varistream Flashing 'p' ?
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2012, 09:45:32 pm »
With mechanical trouble shooting the first question we were taught to ask is what changed when things started to go wrong.

If you can't find the problem this way, then start at the very begining and work forwards - in our case the tank, tank outlet, pipe to pump etc.


Once you have identified and fixed the issue - which will be something minor, the next important thing to do is fit an isolator switch on the positive (red) wire from the battery close to the Varistream. Then at the end of the day switch that off. A Varistream consumes power even when switched off which takes about 25 amps from an 85 amp battery over a period of a week.

This works fine.

http://www.screwfix.com/p/lap-1-gang-10a-switch-ip55-240v/47152

You just need to wire it up correctly so it opens and shuts the power supply.

Spruce

Is that just the newer varistreams? I've got a 4,5 year old digital one, and I've never had any problem running it off the van battery, even after a 2 week holiday. That's without isolator switch.

Spruce

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Re: Shurflo/varistream Flashing 'p' ?
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2012, 09:54:14 pm »
With mechanical trouble shooting the first question we were taught to ask is what changed when things started to go wrong.

If you can't find the problem this way, then start at the very begining and work forwards - in our case the tank, tank outlet, pipe to pump etc.


Once you have identified and fixed the issue - which will be something minor, the next important thing to do is fit an isolator switch on the positive (red) wire from the battery close to the Varistream. Then at the end of the day switch that off. A Varistream consumes power even when switched off which takes about 25 amps from an 85 amp battery over a period of a week.

This works fine.

http://www.screwfix.com/p/lap-1-gang-10a-switch-ip55-240v/47152

You just need to wire it up correctly so it opens and shuts the power supply.

Spruce

Is that just the newer varistreams? I've got a 4,5 year old digital one, and I've never had any problem running it off the van battery, even after a 2 week holiday. That's without isolator switch.

Hi Tim.

The old ones are fine of which I have 2 on my van. It's the new ones that have the built in battery condition indicator that have this characteristic.

Spruce
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

Fin Clearview

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Re: Shurflo/varistream Flashing 'p' ?
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2012, 10:01:48 pm »
Here's my headache for anyone that can help...

Fitted new Shurflo pump. All wired correct. The first time I tested it no problems but I had to fix leak at DI, all done so re tested but no water coming through so I disconnect the DI but still no water, so I cranked pump up which motor was running fine, still no water and then pump stopped and was flashing 'p'. instructions say p means max pressure reached but nothing more, no troubleshooting on how to fix.

Yes - P is pressure reached. It could also be air pressure reached. It sounds to me as though you either have a blockage after the pump, or you pump is sucking air between the tank and it, usually at the strainer couplings in my experience.

What happens if you just run a short hose from the pump? If you have a tap on the tank, have you switched it on/opened it?

If you disconnect the pipe at the di, does the pump run and pump water. If it does then the problem is at or after the di. We have had several issues with auto stop hoselok type connectors not working properly and this seems to be a fairly common way of connecting up the di.

Spruce

Thanks Spruce,  as I had to attach the old strainer and couplings to either side it's quite possible I have made the error there. I had disconnected the di (although when I did it looked like the flipping thing was smoking!) but although the pump runs no water comes through and the the pump cuts out with the 'p' flashing.  & btw Spruce I have the tank tap open.

And yes it's the new varistream.  & cheers for the advice on the isolator switch, will grab the screw fix one.

ben M

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Re: Shurflo/varistream Flashing 'p' ?
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2012, 10:02:31 pm »
i had the same thing, i went to varitech and my controller was dead!

[GQC] Tim

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Re: Shurflo/varistream Flashing 'p' ?
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2012, 10:09:18 pm »
With mechanical trouble shooting the first question we were taught to ask is what changed when things started to go wrong.

If you can't find the problem this way, then start at the very begining and work forwards - in our case the tank, tank outlet, pipe to pump etc.


Once you have identified and fixed the issue - which will be something minor, the next important thing to do is fit an isolator switch on the positive (red) wire from the battery close to the Varistream. Then at the end of the day switch that off. A Varistream consumes power even when switched off which takes about 25 amps from an 85 amp battery over a period of a week.

This works fine.

http://www.screwfix.com/p/lap-1-gang-10a-switch-ip55-240v/47152

You just need to wire it up correctly so it opens and shuts the power supply.

Spruce

Is that just the newer varistreams? I've got a 4,5 year old digital one, and I've never had any problem running it off the van battery, even after a 2 week holiday. That's without isolator switch.

Hi Tim.

The old ones are fine of which I have 2 on my van. It's the new ones that have the built in battery condition indicator that have this characteristic.

Spruce

Ah I see, that's good to know!

Fin Clearview

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Re: Shurflo/varistream Flashing 'p' ?
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2012, 07:48:45 pm »
I am doing the wfp walk of shame today, it turns out, I was using a stop hose lock connector on the piece of hose on the outlet of the pump without a male/female tap nozzle fitting! I never even knew what a stop loc connector was, oh well another lesson.

Spruce

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Re: Shurflo/varistream Flashing 'p' ?
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2012, 08:42:09 pm »
I am doing the wfp walk of shame today, it turns out, I was using a stop hose lock connector on the piece of hose on the outlet of the pump without a male/female tap nozzle fitting! I never even knew what a stop loc connector was, oh well another lesson.

Fin,

thanks for reporting back ~ we all learn from your findings. As for the walk of shame, never ~ its the walk of experience.

As for those stoplok couplings - most of us have had problems with them at one time or another. I've had one work for months before it failed and it took me ages to find the problem as it was still allowing a very low water flow past it.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

Fin Clearview

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Re: Shurflo/varistream Flashing 'p' ?
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2012, 10:00:36 pm »
Thanks for your assistance anyway Spruce, it ended up being quite insignificant compared to my last job of the day!....I'll post up the (mental) story  :)