[ben M]

So in better words you bought a cleaning solution off the Internet and thought this has great cleaning power and results on your connies, then took it out of it's orignal bottles and put it in your own bottles and magica one was born??? Or have you made this great formula up from scratch??
I'm not knocking it just trying to understand where magica came about!!

There's so many cleaners on the Market but most don't cost half what yours dose, so it needs to be pretty special to be above all the rest.

Send me a sample please.

hahahaha very funny! in your dreams, this guy is too tight  

[ben M]

Concept Chemicals Master Cleaner,find a supplier from their site or google,get some,you will not regret it,so many uses,appx £10-£12 per 5 LITRES.
             I`ve been using it for years and have mentioned it on this site previously.Most Car valeting outlets stock it.It even has a mild bleaching effect on pvc helping to restore whiteness,i see boshravie claims similar for his product which i find very interesting as you can buy Master Cleaner in 200 Litre size.

I`m issuing a challenge.

Must be the same product!

[Neil Gornall]

I cant believe some of you guys really.

now say 1 bottle will clean 3 connys as boshrave says (though personally i reckon more). now to me the conny i did the review on is an £80 job to me. so that works out at £4 a job ish.

good job your customers arent as tight fisted as you lot or you would never have any work eh.

last time i tell this forum about something good ive found. ill keep it to myself and let you lot work you knackers off.

  it will take time for them to adjust to this new concept .
 Its like anything in life, fear stops you to go forward. 

  Please don't Patronise us! Fear has nothing to do with it. If someone is using this forum its most likely as a result of starting up in business for themselves. That takes guts, especially in this financial climate.
You have a product for sale which as far as I can tell is a little better than comparable products yet costs many times the price. I thought the bottle was 1 litre but it seems now its only 500ml. most commercial products are sold in 25 litre barrels, at your prices you are making about £650 a barrel.
People running any business do so to make profit, you included. But don't patronise me by saying I wont buy your product out of fear.
I wont buy your product coz I am not stupid. Its is a ridiculous price, that is the ONLY reason.

[ben M]

I cant believe some of you guys really.

now say 1 bottle will clean 3 connys as boshrave says (though personally i reckon more). now to me the conny i did the review on is an £80 job to me. so that works out at £4 a job ish.

good job your customers arent as tight fisted as you lot or you would never have any work eh.

last time i tell this forum about something good ive found. ill keep it to myself and let you lot work you knackers off.

  it will take time for them to adjust to this new concept .
 Its like anything in life, fear stops you to go forward.  

  Please don't Patronise us! Fear has nothing to do with it. If someone is using this forum its most likely as a result of starting up in business for themselves. That takes guts, especially in this financial climate.
You have a product for sale which as far as I can tell is a little better than comparable products yet costs many times the price. I thought the bottle was 1 litre but it seems now its only 500ml. most commercial products are sold in 25 litre barrels, at your prices you are making about £650 a barrel.
People running any business do so to make profit, you included. But don't patronise me by saying I wont buy your product out of fear.
I wont buy your product coz I am not stupid. Its is a ridiculous price, that is the ONLY reason.

I totally agree!

[gary999]

gardiners didnt invent the carbon pole

He may have not invent it, but he put it to practice for us 

nope the original idea came from jeff brimble using fishing poles,mr gardiner the clever chap he is
did a steve jobs with it.

[boshravie]

Many thanks for all your kind comments, now i know i have plenty of support 

[Tony Edwards]

Many thanks for all your kind comments, now i know i have plenty of support 

Living in cuckoo land springs to mind !

[boshravie]

I cant believe some of you guys really.

now say 1 bottle will clean 3 connys as boshrave says (though personally i reckon more). now to me the conny i did the review on is an £80 job to me. so that works out at £4 a job ish.

good job your customers arent as tight fisted as you lot or you would never have any work eh.

last time i tell this forum about something good ive found. ill keep it to myself and let you lot work you knackers off.

  it will take time for them to adjust to this new concept .
 Its like anything in life, fear stops you to go forward. 

  Please don't Patronise us! Fear has nothing to do with it. If someone is using this forum its most likely as a result of starting up in business for themselves. That takes guts, especially in this financial climate.
You have a product for sale which as far as I can tell is a little better than comparable products yet costs many times the price. I thought the bottle was 1 litre but it seems now its only 500ml. most commercial products are sold in 25 litre barrels, at your prices you are making about £650 a barrel.
People running any business do so to make profit, you included. But don't patronise me by saying I wont buy your product out of fear.
I wont buy your product coz I am not stupid. Its is a ridiculous price, that is the ONLY reason.

It might be expensive to you, but not for some one else.

I give you an example: there are lots of different mobile phones on the market, but so many people buy I phone, which is more expensive, and in some case does less function than the others, but you paying for quality.
When I mentioned fear, I meant there are some on here that have a fear of spending £8.00 for this product in case it doesn’t do what it said on the tin.

Its up to you weather you buy it or not, and yes of course I am in it for profit, and at the same time helping you to do the job much better and easier.

when there lots of sales on this product I will surely be able to drop the price because then I can buy it cheaper.

Do you remember Aqua dapter when it came on the market?
It was around £80.00 but his sale went up and then he could drop the price down.

[Avo]

Tip..
Start selling it cheaper getting peoples confidence on using it then slowly bring the price up when sales increase..

[Blue Frog Systems]

Is that how you get new customers Avo ? First clean half price and if they like it then its double next time ?

Bet you charge your normal rate or more

[Avo]

I just charge a flat rate as per quote blue!!

I dont sell any windy products but if I did I would start with an introductory price because people don't have belief in this product, just trying to help the guy out cause he's taking a grilling over it.

I just thought this made more sense mate getting people using it and seeing for them selves how good its claimed to be..

[ben M]

I just charge a flat rate as per quote blue!!

I dont sell any windy products but if I did I would start with an introductory price because people don't have belief in this product, just trying to help the guy out cause he's taking a grilling over it.

I just thought this made more sense mate getting people using it and seeing for them selves how good its claimed to be..

this guy should give away few samples but he is too tight, he doesn't know how to run a business!

[Nameless Drudge]

I`ve got every bit of good advice from this forum for free,including choice of equipment and products.

If i feel i can give good advice back i couldn`t charge for it,cost recovery yes,but attempting to hood wink other forum members by re-labelling someone elses product is just taking the michael

If i were boshravie i would be checking the legalities of re-labelling someone elses product and then competing in the same market place,i`d be doing it pronto as well.

[Halfadaylee]

Cost is only one element to the sale process. What seems exspensive to one is because it is. Yes, you may save me some time however I have to consider whether this time saving is worth the extra money against the produce that I am familiar with.

The other thing that I struggle with is "time saving" element. Will it save me 10 minutes on a standard connie, should I use these to chat and drink tea with the custard or save them up over a year or two and use them for a week in Spain.
Maybe to sell the benefit of less effort would be more appealing.

Bluefrog rates your product and his connie cleaning is spectacular, so this would give me confidence in my buying process, but then you don't come across that well on here which turns me off completely and would not buy your product for that reason alone.

Art

[paul13]

I would assume bosh would have the approval of the company supplying
him with the cleaning solution to re market it with his own brand?
 

[boshravie]

There lots of products on the market that have been re branded and still are doing , but any way I am not getting in to any slinging match with any one.
Here is a product that is very unique, and it say exactly what it does on the TIN.

It also been advertised here, so its up to any individual if he/she wants to try it.

End of the matter.  

[ben M]

Cost is only one element to the sale process. What seems exspensive to one is because it is. Yes, you may save me some time however I have to consider whether this time saving is worth the extra money against the produce that I am familiar with.

The other thing that I struggle with is "time saving" element. Will it save me 10 minutes on a standard connie, should I use these to chat and drink tea with the custard or save them up over a year or two and use them for a week in Spain.
Maybe to sell the benefit of less effort would be more appealing.

Bluefrog rates your product and his connie cleaning is spectacular, so this would give me confidence in my buying process, but then you don't come across that well on here which turns me off completely and would not buy your product for that reason alone.Art

same for me!

[paul13]

Not having a go at you i just didn't know you could do such a thing,
copy right  ect, buy a product put into your own bottle and sell it
as your own with out permission from original seller.
Anyway i will be buying a bottle to try and will post my opinion.

[boshravie]

Not having a go at you i just didn't know you could do such a thing,
copy right  ect, buy a product put into your own bottle and sell it
as your own with out permission from original seller.
Anyway i will be buying a bottle to try and will post my opinion.

Exactly Pual, of course I have permission from the manufacture, otherwise I couldn’t sell it.   

[Steve Sed]

I`ve got every bit of good advice from this forum for free,including choice of equipment and products.

If i feel i can give good advice back i couldn`t charge for it,cost recovery yes,but attempting to hood wink other forum members by re-labelling someone elses product is just taking the michael

If i were boshravie i would be checking the legalities of re-labelling someone elses product and then competing in the same market place,i`d be doing it pronto as well.

Sound advice I reckon.