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ALEXDH

The devils spawn - have you seen this?
« on: February 01, 2004, 11:59:52 pm »
I have never seen such a low underhand method of advertising a disgrace to to all things carpet.

I have sent them a email telling them as much.

http://cleanmyowncarpet.com/

Utter filth

A disgrace.

I don't like it.

Any americans viewing this board go and give this git a slap will you.

lee_gundry

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Re: The devils spawn
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2004, 12:19:53 am »
i have sent them a email too.
cumbria

ALEXDH

Re: The devils spawn
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2004, 12:29:14 am »
The one funny thing about this was you tell it was pihrana pack before you found out she is the 4times champion or something from pihrana.

carpet_bright

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Re: The devils spawn
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2004, 12:52:23 am »
what a complete pile of S**t  >:( >:( >:(
Some people will do anything to try and make a few quid but to basically slag of our trade is shamefull.

Paul

Dave_Lee

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Re: The devils spawn
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2004, 01:41:10 am »
I dont think Joe Polish or his Pirahna Marketing Company would be very impressed by some of their stuff being used in this way.
Dave.
Dave Lee, Owner of Deepclean Services
Chorley Lancs. Est 1980.
"Pay Cheap -You get Cheap - Pay a little more and get something Better."

ALEXDH

Re: The devils spawn
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2004, 01:45:02 am »
I am up aT Alltec on wednesday i shall have to pass on the address.

Made my blood boil it did.


Derek

Re: The devils spawn
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2004, 09:19:26 am »
Hi Guys

It is an interesting 'fairy' story, an obvious sales ploy to earn 'them' money at all cleaners expense.

A few points to consider....

'Seams split after a few days'.... the vast majority of carpets in the US are either totally nylon or polypropylene the split seams would indicate some natural fibres present.

She alleges her husband is an IICRC certified journeyman (are IICRC aware of that?) and 'he hasn't a clue' about overwetting??

She couldn't resist bragging about her Diamond, Ruby and Saphire rings could she?

Well, the world now knows that ALL carpet cleaners are a bunch of thieves, murderers and rapists just for starters ...according to Laura

If this lady had a brain she could be dangerous...

Perhaps an e-mail to IICRC.org would be a start...

I am sure that there is a Trading Standards department in the US... perhaps an e-mail to them as well.

Perhaps a post on the US boards would stir up a bit of action from their end...I am sure they will be just as angry, perhaps even more so, as it's in their 'own back yard'

Derek

Mike Halliday

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Re: The devils spawn
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2004, 09:39:38 am »
You lot need to take a valium ::)   I bet they're quivering in their boots having received all your emails.

who gives a rats ars@ what they are saying, its on the other side of the world.

As for all carpet cleaners being murderers, rapist & thieves, have you been to an NCCA meeting lately :o

Mike
Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

squeaky

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Re: The devils spawn
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2004, 09:52:24 am »
I have also sent an email to 'the scum'
Part time (mornings) window cleaning/ suites and rugs in sunny Spain and loving it.

Jim_Lynch

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Re: The devils spawn
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2004, 10:11:50 am »
I raised it on the ICS board.
Let's see what develops..

Cheers,


Jim
Jim Lynch
ChemDry Supreme
Brisbane,Queensland
AUSTRALIA

Alan_Harrison

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Re: The devils spawn
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2004, 10:34:54 am »
I've learned so much since I found the Cleanitup site. I now double pre-vac, pre-test and tip all my waste down the loo. Its just goes to show, you never stop learning.........

Is there a training course for murdurin thievin an rapein

:D
Cleaning and restoration of Oriental Rugs, kilims and tapestries.
http//www.olneyrugs.com

Les

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Re: The devils spawn
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2004, 11:52:57 am »
Having scanned over the website in question... too much cr*p too read it all. It would appear he is using the old 'scare them to death and then stuff them up with your own product' approach. :o
It obviously works in the states as he 'appears' to have sold out of product, (honestly)  ::).
Maybe we should get our own stories of 'have a go' Customer disaster stories together and use in our own publicity. ;)
Do you think this guy was the one who came up with the Weapons Of Mass Distruction intelligence ??? ;D ;)

Robert_O

WITHOUT PREJUDICERe: The devils spawn
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2004, 02:26:44 pm »
Hi Fellas

This is my response sent for what it is worth.

WITHOUT PREJUDICE

I find it hard to understand how such an apparent intelligent lady, with such eloquence of words can stoop to such a level of damaging your own carpet cleaning industry.

This type of advertising (for want of a better word) used in your web site, is negative in its entirety, and is unfortunately seen by a worldwide audience rather than just a local newspaper. Have you stopped to think that even your dear husbands carpet cleaning business could suffer the long-term fallout of this type of malicious scare mongering tactics? The IICRC and other industry trade bodies spend a great deal of time, effort, and money in trying to raise the profile and status of professional carpet cleaning, and I would have assumed that your husband being affiliated to such an organisation would be somewhat more sensitive to creating a poor image of his chosen profession.

People may talk about the issues you raise, as unfortunately bad news travels fast, but you may be shooting yourselves in the foot , in that your own cleaning business may also suffer being categorised with this disgraceful poor generalisation of carpet cleaners being spread. Maybe I am giving to much credit to the impact that your transparent, negative advertising will have on sensible rational people, but please remember that good reputations take time to build, but they can be so easily damaged.

Personally, there is nothing more that turns me off than when one company or tradesman starts bad mouthing the competition. These cheap swipes categorising carpet cleaners as dishonest,  uncaring, shoddy workmen,  and even putting the fear in customers of carpet cleaning sexual deviants is to unbelievable for words. I think that the IICRC would be very interested to see your disgraceful marketing ploy, especially when using reference to your affiliation to them within the content of the advertising.

What I would ask is that you think long and hard what the implications of your actions may be in your quest for financial returns. What you are doing is at the expense of the integrity of a whole industry (my industry). In fact ‘in my opinion’ you are bordering on being as unethical as the very nature of what you are endeavouring to portray about carpet cleaners within your advertising.

I think that you can gather that I am extremely angry, as are many other 'professional carpet cleaners' that you are categorising, insulting, and potentially damaging.

You could find that collectively the people affected by this damage doesn't just stop at carpet cleaners, but also their chemical and machinery suppliers, and trade organisations, who would probably have a little more legal clout when it comes to people damaging their industry. I think that the Advertising Standards Authority would also find the content of your advertising claims to be of significant interest. This is just something for you to consider, and who knows may even help prevent you from any potential legal repercussions.

Hopefully I have put this to you in a positive way, that will make you think a little more about the major disservice you are doing to 'our industry', and the potential long-term damage to its integrity.

Yours sincerely


Robert Olifent




Derek

Re: The devils spawn
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2004, 06:19:27 pm »
Mike

But you NEVER come to the NCCA meetings so where do you obtain 'your' intelligence  ;) ;D ;D....

Some of the people who come to the NCCA members certainly 'murder' a pint or two after the long journey.

Rapists...hardly, although we do indulge in a great deal of social intercourse.

Thieves...NEVER... With the high prices we all charge for our services 'we' don't need to resort to stealing.

Obviously Mike, you must be thinking of someone else...  ;D

Wanna try again?

Regards
Derek

Mike Halliday

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Re: The devils spawn
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2004, 06:45:50 pm »
Derek,  Oooops, you're right i was getting mixed up. I meant to say the members of Alltecs Fastrack group :D

Mike
Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

Len Gribble

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Re: The devils spawn
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2004, 07:04:32 pm »
:)Hi Alex

Found this on the ics message board under breaking news

Len


Ethical Services Web site launches controversy
In November 2003 Ethical Services, a company described as providing “the fastest and most thorough way to find the top-rated carpet cleaning company in your area,” launched EthicalServices.com. Currently focused on the cleaning industry, the Web site is geared to help consumers “looking for an honest and ethical company to clean your carpet, upholstery, air ducts or hard floors” find such a service.
“The mission of the Ethical Services site has been from the beginning a team effort to help educate consumers on choosing the right professional cleaner to come into their home, and to also help cleaners who are willing to publicly commit to and follow a code of ethics to find these consumers,” states Ethical Services President Joseph Polish. “This is a referral service, plain and simple, and there is a self-policing mechanism in the structure itself to purge out the cleaners who create unhappy clients.”
But while some cleaners may make unhappy clients, EthicalServices.com has created some unhappy cleaners. Since its launch the Web site has had a polarizing effect on the industry. Comments regarding Ethical Services, ranging from “unethical,” “self-serving” and “borderline extortion” to “keep up the good work,” “a great reference,” and “has potential” have appeared on various industry Bulletin Boards, including that of ICS Cleaning Specialist, as well as in other media.
Polish is better known as president of Piranha Marketing Inc., a Tempe, Ariz.-based company directed toward the carpet-cleaning industry.

Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed is more important than any other. (Sidcup Kent)

Dave Parry

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Re: The devils spawn - have you seen this?
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2004, 12:36:47 am »
Not worried by this one. Other side of the world, and I'm not a STEAM cleaner! Also think that by sending e-mails you giving them more ammo - "Look at all these cleaners from all over the world who do not want you to know these secrets"!!!!!!!! Let the local US cleaners deal with it.
Bracknell, Berkshire,
Phoenix T/M,
http://www.cleanercarpets.org/index.html

John_Flynn

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Re: The devils spawn - have you seen this?
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2004, 12:43:42 am »
Good reply Dave.

Totally with you on this one, how many more strings are us blokes in the UK going to add to this persons BOW ???
I get better looking each day!!

Robert_O

Re: The devils spawn - have you seen this?
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2004, 01:04:05 am »
They may be conducting their business in the states but anyone heard of the world wide web thingy?

I brings things a little closer to home don't you think?

The little secrets of carpet cleaning doesn't bother me so much, as no book that is sold will give the experience,  practical expertise and equipment that we have both gained and have access to.

But the other bad mouthing I have a problem with.

That is just my personal feelings on the matter.

Regards

Robert Olifent

Alex

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Re: The devils spawn - have you seen this?
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2004, 01:14:40 am »
I agree with you Robert

Alex