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many thanks chaps....was really questioning if anyone had experience of builders cleans whilst they're still building not talking about the odd painter or chippy knocking about snaggin or carpet layers shufflin about....i mean literally still involved in constructing the fabric of the building......dust & poo everywhere?all i can imagine is they're going under....so they bill the client for the clean....you dont get paid and the builder goes under owing loads of trades....one minute the scaffolding was going to be there....then it dissapeared, sounds like the scaffolder hadnt been paid either...