[Majestic]

Should he stay or should he go
What do you think,  

[shinnyshinner]

Hi John
I think Bring him back, But tell all main suppliers to stop the childish banter which should of been said in the first place.
The way he has been treated he may not want to, we might even start seeing him on the when I'm cleaning windows forum?
Alan

[jonesy5]

Bring him back!!!!!!
This board has probably had more hits in the last month, than ever before.
Is that right Mike?

[mickeyfat]

for all us newbies : ....who/whats the dom

[jonesy5]

Read some of the crash testing threads.
Never mind fastest window cleaner!
I think he fastest typer!!!!!!

[mickeyfat]

ok willl do

[shinnyshinner]

Hi V.G.C
Dom (Sean) is a chap who works for a wfp company Brodex who has been involved in a war with words with another supplier Ionics.
he has been banned from the forum by Mike B (forum admin).
Alan

[jonesy5]

Sorry VGC
i think Doms crash testing thread has mysteriously gone!!!

[jonesy5]

Its there on page 3 "why use colour change Resin"
Hope you sober and got a spare hour  

[shinnyshinner]

Hi Jonsey
below is the link about the crash testing link
Alan
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Equipment;action=display;num=1068152149

[Polepro]

The crash test thing was also raging in the used equipment section in a topic called "wanted waterfed  pole system". It seems to me that both Brodex and Ionic had a lot to say on the subject and both sides of the argument are stated clearly for all to see, generally I think that many readers were "waterfed" up of it. Certainly many of the best contributors to this forum had either moved of it or stopped posting altogether because "Dom" did'nt stop at just slagging Ionic. Peter F is well respected here and used to give lots of unbiased advise but Dom laid into him too. Looks like Peters back now and thats a good thing for us all, Peter is a window cleaner first and a supplier second. If lying about a serious safety issue is not a good reason to be banned then what is?

Tom

[denzle]

Well said that man.
Denzle

[shinnyshinner]

Hi Polepro
I'll second that, I have spoken to peter on a few occasions and you wont get a more helpful bloke always happy to help even if it's not for his own financial gain, heard he has even helped people out when they have had problems with their wfp systems even though they did not buy from him.
Top bloke, says alot dont it
Alan

[Old_Master]

" Some suppress Freedom in the name of law and order"


What sort of Company sends private investigators into their competitors -  We're humble manufacturers of pole systems  not  international organisations.

Brodex are not the only company these "dirty tricks" have been used against.
And I am not talking about us (omnipole).  
These tactics have been used many times - hence the dislike by the rest of the industry. Peter isnt big enoth supplier yet to warrant this "special Treatment" from ionic - see what happens when he does.

[Polepro]

These days there are cameras on every street corner, if your not doing anything wrong then being filmed should not bother you. If Omnipole was not investigated how would you know if any others were?

Tom

[Old_Master]

Entering peoples home or place of work and filming them without their knowledge  is not right.

How would you like a window cleaner to send an investigator to your home or place of buisnees pretending to be a prospective client and  find out your trade secrets and who your customers are and how much you charge them etc.?

[Polepro]

I'm sure that I would n't like it at all, and I hope that I'd never give anyone reason to do so. But if anyone ever did I'd be sure that there would never be any come back because I always tell the truth. Always telling the truth makes life far easier because you never have to remember what lies you told to what person. Personally I respect those who tell the truth and in this instance I'm pleased that Mike Boxall was able to discover the truth. If Mike had not been able to see the truth for himself then we'd all still be in the dark and have to put up with this never ending slagging match.

Tom

[Old_Master]

I agree with you on your last point wholeheartedly.

As for the reason for sending in private investigator to you the reason would be they didnt want you or any other major competitor.

[mickeyfat]

ok chaps thanks for the replys
i read some threads about tanks not being 100% full and all that jazz
think i get the jist of it all  

For the benefit of BeeClean & new members, I'll try to explain my understanding of this issue (from what I have gleaned from the other posts) in as objective way possible.  

Reuban, Dom, Carl, Anyone else, please feel free to correct me if I get anything wrong:

Because van mounted Pure water systems are extremely heavy, sometimes more than 1000kg, there is a potential risk that if the vehicle crashes, the system could break free of its mountings and cause injury to the driver and passengers of the vehicle.

In response to this risk Ionic Systems have, at their expense, conducted crash tests of their system at Thatcham (which is an independent crash-test centre).  Their crash test was successful in that their system did not break free.  As Pure20 (an Ionic company) uses the the same system and mountings, I think they too can claim to have a successful test.  These tests now make a good selling point for these companies, and some have speculated that in future such tests may become mandatory.

However, some have raised objections as to the validity of this test.  A point Dom raised, was that since Ionic paid for the test, there is a conflict of interest, and such a test paid for by the manufacturer would not be impartial.  (This same point is also a subject of hot debate about safety certification for new cars) Though this is a valid point, and since no government body exists to do these tests, Ionic argue that there is simply no alternative.  Reuban raised the point that, by this reasoning the fact that you pay for your driving test or MOT would not make it impartial.

Dom also raises the point that the system in test was only 75% full.  I'm not certain from where Dom has got this information (feel free to message me Dom and I'll include it), but Reuban assures me that this is not true, and the system was tested 100% full.

Ionic have voluntarily agreed to present the result of their tests to interested parties (Mike Boxall being one), and to explain them in detail.

http://www.thatcham.org Thatcham's website
http://www.brodexbms.co.uk Dom's company website (Brodex Machine Services)
http://www.pure2o.co.uk Pure20 website
http://www.ionicsystems.com Ionic Systems website

Revised 27/1/04

If I have any of this incorrect, please tell me and I'll edit this post.

Silly

[Polepro]

Maybe your right Old Master (lol, reminds me of a kung-fu movie). Maybe they needed to find out if lies were being told about them? From what I've read so far that would seem to be a more likely reason. Good-bye Old Master (lol) I look forward to our next debate, seriously I'm finished for today, nice debating with you.

Tom