[Ian101]

I would like to thank everyone on this topic who has posted about not calling/texting the night before, special thanks to those few who have had personal digs at me.

I went to a networking meeting this morning and in my speech, I mentioned this forum and showed all who were there this topic which I had printed off copies for them.

I stated that I am the village idiot : because I call or text the night before, and if possible I will work my round to help my customers.

I showed then some of the replys from those of you who do not call/text the night before and they were impressed with the Dump and Replace attitude from some :

Anyway I picked up 3 new customers, I have one meeting to quote for an office block and someone knows a lord who owns a stately home, I might not get the job but at least I get the chance to pitch for it.

I have now changed my website, I will be promoting my call the night before because it looks like there are customers out there who want this type of service.

So once again, THANK YOU, without your input I would not have this new work. 

and I also mentioned some of the other things that was said as well on this topic, they really like them, so keep on posting it brightens their day up for them.

Ive got a spare orange box you can have for £5 if you fancy a trip to speakers corner though this  weekend wont be many there wot with it being the jubilee and all that 

Sorry I don't work at height

 

[William McCafferty]

the reason hydro people have a go at you like myself is that half what you say dont add up........simple


you just stated that you cant do more than 2hours work aday......the other day on another forum you said quote "3 window cleans and 1 carpet which I can do on my own,"


now surely that would take more than 2hours on your feet........


hydro you quoted"These people also hide behind fictious names and try to bully anyone"


never have i hid behind a fictious name,look in my profile,look at web-site your see who iam.and never have i bullied you.just pointed out things dont add up,if that bullying then you need to look up the meaning of it.

i say it to your face and have no problem with anyone doing the same back to me.

what people are saying is somethings NEVER add up with you over differnet forums.to lie you have to be good at it.

and has being affaid of newbies ive help a few people start up on the forum and will continue todo so,what work for you doesnt work for everyone.

Ok I have 3 window cleans and a carpet to clean and all in 2 hours, well although I say 2 hours it dosen't mean 2 hours to the minute, but lets play.

1st job is a pub I do, the outside windows take 12 mintues with wfp, the inside bar only 8 x 2' by 2' windows take 10 minutes tops, the carpet takes 15 minutes to set up and 20 minutes to clean, the carpet only covers half the bar, I will name the pub if you don't belive me and you can someone to check on the sizes.

2nd job

On Pinewood Drive, bartley green, the front takes 8 minutes the back needs a backpack because I have to go though the living room to the back 2 upstairs windows and 2 patio doors another 10 minutes.
I then have a bacon sandwich and coffee, they are personal friend of mine, so I normally chat for 20 minutes or so.

3 rd job on Ley Hill Farm Road, new housing estate, normal house 7 windows easy access, takes 15 tops.

all well within 2 hours, but I have also rested for over 3/5 of and hour because of the bacon sandwich and travelling time to the jobs.

My maximum on one site with out sitting down is about 2 hours, driving from job to job helps me to last longer but normally I rest in the van while my staff clean on their own if I am using them.

I think that a lot of the misunderstanding of what i do is I don't give updates on what happens on a daily basis, if I sack a worker, I don't post about it, if my van blows up I don't mention it, when I went into hospital I never mentioned it or the need to employ especially to survive.

When I take on staff, do I say they are part time or full time, do I mention how much I pay them at the end of the week, no I don't.

I do mention what I want to do and what I have planned, but I can and do change my mind, so these can alter.

I never before used promoted the fact that I call the night before unless I need to close a sale, by showing why they should use me instead of someone else.

This has no changed, especially after this mornings meeting and the work gained, I have come to the conclusion that their are potential customers who want a cleaner who will call them.

I also have other things that I am doing at the moment and these do include staff and more importantly funding for them, but I know that the riddicule will start again, so I will keep quite on this, which is a shame because this funding is available to everyone who wants to employ, but they will have to find out about this themselfs  

[C o z y]

Must be terrible being bullied. I feel for Pur Hydro on this one. Must have felt strange showing lawyers and other professional people with connections to people with stately homes etc, transcripts from a window cleaning forum  

I can imagine it went down really well. "Look gentlemen, here's a forum I'm a big noise on, and look how I'm being bullied".

Did they read all 9 pages of what some window cleaners had to say about calling the night before cleaning?? I must get to take part in these breakfast clubs. Sounds really interesting. Are they free or do you pay a monthly sub? What's the next subject for next week? Moat cleaning forums or butler replacement kneecap costs?

I feel humble in the presence of such people that discuss such topics in depth.







(Some of the above was sarcasm )

[William McCafferty]

I only go every 2 weeks and I do pay a yearly fee and a meeting fee, but I have already got enough work to cover this from previous meetings.

and yes I think I will be looking for posts and posters that we can all laugh at, it certainly brighten the day up.

They did comment that some of the posts sounded like the unions of old who used the same type of reasoning and brought this country to its knees in the 70's

[Granny]

Tosh
Lock it it's getting out of hand!
g.

[KS Cleaning]

I only go every 2 weeks and I do pay a yearly fee and a meeting fee, but I have already got enough work to cover this from previous meetings.

and yes I think I will be looking for posts and posters that we can all laugh at, it certainly brighten the day up.

They did comment that some of the posts sounded like the unions of old who used the same type of reasoning and brought this country to its knees in the 70's

Now, there's a surprise,some fatcats downcrying the unions .The Unions were there to protect the rights of the working class man.

[Frankybadboy]

the reason hydro people have a go at you like myself is that half what you say dont add up........simple


you just stated that you cant do more than 2hours work aday......the other day on another forum you said quote "3 window cleans and 1 carpet which I can do on my own,"


now surely that would take more than 2hours on your feet........


hydro you quoted"These people also hide behind fictious names and try to bully anyone"


never have i hid behind a fictious name,look in my profile,look at web-site your see who iam.and never have i bullied you.just pointed out things dont add up,if that bullying then you need to look up the meaning of it.

i say it to your face and have no problem with anyone doing the same back to me.

what people are saying is somethings NEVER add up with you over differnet forums.to lie you have to be good at it.

and has being affaid of newbies ive help a few people start up on the forum and will continue todo so,what work for you doesnt work for everyone.

Ok I have 3 window cleans and a carpet to clean and all in 2 hours, well although I say 2 hours it dosen't mean 2 hours to the minute, but lets play.

1st job is a pub I do, the outside windows take 12 mintues with wfp, the inside bar only 8 x 2' by 2' windows take 10 minutes tops, the carpet takes 15 minutes to set up and 20 minutes to clean, the carpet only covers half the bar, I will name the pub if you don't belive me and you can someone to check on the sizes.

2nd job

On Pinewood Drive, bartley green, the front takes 8 minutes the back needs a backpack because I have to go though the living room to the back 2 upstairs windows and 2 patio doors another 10 minutes.
I then have a bacon sandwich and coffee, they are personal friend of mine, so I normally chat for 20 minutes or so.

3 rd job on Ley Hill Farm Road, new housing estate, normal house 7 windows easy access, takes 15 tops.

all well within 2 hours, but I have also rested for over 3/5 of and hour because of the bacon sandwich and travelling time to the jobs.

My maximum on one site with out sitting down is about 2 hours, driving from job to job helps me to last longer but normally I rest in the van while my staff clean on their own if I am using them.

I think that a lot of the misunderstanding of what i do is I don't give updates on what happens on a daily basis, if I sack a worker, I don't post about it, if my van blows up I don't mention it, when I went into hospital I never mentioned it or the need to employ especially to survive.

When I take on staff, do I say they are part time or full time, do I mention how much I pay them at the end of the week, no I don't.

I do mention what I want to do and what I have planned, but I can and do change my mind, so these can alter.

I never before used promoted the fact that I call the night before unless I need to close a sale, by showing why they should use me instead of someone else.

This has no changed, especially after this mornings meeting and the work gained, I have come to the conclusion that their are potential customers who want a cleaner who will call them.

I also have other things that I am doing at the moment and these do include staff and more importantly funding for them, but I know that the riddicule will start again, so I will keep quite on this, which is a shame because this funding is available to everyone who wants to employ, but they will have to find out about this themselfs  

has i said you full of it.......

[William McCafferty]

I only go every 2 weeks and I do pay a yearly fee and a meeting fee, but I have already got enough work to cover this from previous meetings.

and yes I think I will be looking for posts and posters that we can all laugh at, it certainly brighten the day up.

They did comment that some of the posts sounded like the unions of old who used the same type of reasoning and brought this country to its knees in the 70's

Now, there's a surprise,some fatcats downcrying the unions .The Unions were there to protect the rights of the working class man.

Yeh Right

I was a young tool maker when I was 17, I started about 3 weeks before the national AEWU strike started in 1978, on my 1st day I was told it was a closed shop and I had to join the union otherwise I would be sacked I joined and paid my fees and dues for the next 3 weeks.

The national strike then started and like my fellow worker I went out on strike with them, I was told by the shop stewert that I would get strike pay.

I lived with my mother who was on a state pension that in them days payed peanuts, but I was assured that I would get some money from the union.

Anyway after 6 weeks with not money, I was told that because I have only just joined I cannot get strike pay, the social will not pay me a penny, so I had to carry on not working while me and my mother went without food.

Anyway I love my mother more than the union, so I went back to work.

I was now shunned, called a scab and even some tried to give me a kicking.

as it happened these workmates settled with the factory before the national strike ended, they ended up getting a higher settlement than the union got.

for the rest of my time there, I was treated me like scum, my mother died within 3 months of the end of the strike, the ones who gave me a kicking got a kicking in return and there are a couple who I would love to meet, and when the shop steward died a year later, I spat on his coffin and I hope he is looking into my mothers eyes for eternity, because that strike KILLED her.

I went back to work to feed my mother, they went back to work because they got a better deal.

Unions can f*** themselfs

[C o z y]

No need to swear, directly or otherwise. Lack of self control is a sign of wakness and poor discipline. Not good for an up and coming Breakfast Club member who deals with high flyers and stately home owners.

It's off topic and the unions didn't destroy anything without the help of the government. Calm down Hydro, nobody wants to bully you, that can only happen if you allow yourself to be bullied.

The OP asked for opinions. He has them and will deal with the situation in his own way. Best to avoid using these sort of threads to posture and bluster your way into a hole. Stop digging the hole you've already dug and hope the thread gets locked. The embarrassment will pass and everyone will forget what was posted. The next one will be along shortly to dig his own hole and you can sit back and laugh at their hole digging posts.

It's only a forum, and nobody dies, so relax and watch it all go on without you. You can always keep going to your "breakfast club" meetings. I'm sure you'll do really well.

Do us a favour though, any future replies, please try to keep them real and less than 4000 words if that's OK. I get halfway through, (I'm a fast reader) but my screensaver kicks in before I'm finished.

There's a good chap.

[William McCafferty]

the reason hydro people have a go at you like myself is that half what you say dont add up........simple


you just stated that you cant do more than 2hours work aday......the other day on another forum you said quote "3 window cleans and 1 carpet which I can do on my own,"


now surely that would take more than 2hours on your feet........


hydro you quoted"These people also hide behind fictious names and try to bully anyone"


never have i hid behind a fictious name,look in my profile,look at web-site your see who iam.and never have i bullied you.just pointed out things dont add up,if that bullying then you need to look up the meaning of it.

i say it to your face and have no problem with anyone doing the same back to me.

what people are saying is somethings NEVER add up with you over differnet forums.to lie you have to be good at it.

and has being affaid of newbies ive help a few people start up on the forum and will continue todo so,what work for you doesnt work for everyone.

Ok I have 3 window cleans and a carpet to clean and all in 2 hours, well although I say 2 hours it dosen't mean 2 hours to the minute, but lets play.

1st job is a pub I do, the outside windows take 12 mintues with wfp, the inside bar only 8 x 2' by 2' windows take 10 minutes tops, the carpet takes 15 minutes to set up and 20 minutes to clean, the carpet only covers half the bar, I will name the pub if you don't belive me and you can someone to check on the sizes.

2nd job

On Pinewood Drive, bartley green, the front takes 8 minutes the back needs a backpack because I have to go though the living room to the back 2 upstairs windows and 2 patio doors another 10 minutes.
I then have a bacon sandwich and coffee, they are personal friend of mine, so I normally chat for 20 minutes or so.

3 rd job on Ley Hill Farm Road, new housing estate, normal house 7 windows easy access, takes 15 tops.

all well within 2 hours, but I have also rested for over 3/5 of and hour because of the bacon sandwich and travelling time to the jobs.

My maximum on one site with out sitting down is about 2 hours, driving from job to job helps me to last longer but normally I rest in the van while my staff clean on their own if I am using them.

I think that a lot of the misunderstanding of what i do is I don't give updates on what happens on a daily basis, if I sack a worker, I don't post about it, if my van blows up I don't mention it, when I went into hospital I never mentioned it or the need to employ especially to survive.

When I take on staff, do I say they are part time or full time, do I mention how much I pay them at the end of the week, no I don't.

I do mention what I want to do and what I have planned, but I can and do change my mind, so these can alter.

I never before used promoted the fact that I call the night before unless I need to close a sale, by showing why they should use me instead of someone else.

This has no changed, especially after this mornings meeting and the work gained, I have come to the conclusion that their are potential customers who want a cleaner who will call them.

I also have other things that I am doing at the moment and these do include staff and more importantly funding for them, but I know that the riddicule will start again, so I will keep quite on this, which is a shame because this funding is available to everyone who wants to employ, but they will have to find out about this themselfs  

has i said you full of it.......

Full of what? come on you said you are not a bully? so where am I "full of it"?

Anyone can make statements, you say my facts or figures don't add up, well what about your facts and figures?

Prove to us that I never had an operation last july In The Woodlands in July 2011 or that I will be having not be having another one this year, my surgeon is called Mr Meda, you have my permission to phone him to check.

Prove to us that I don't employ anyone, this is an easy one, my accountant is Steve Brown from Pointon Young Accountants look up the phone number, I don't want to be accused of having someone else saying they are him when they are not, I will give him permission to reveal how much I have paid in wages over the last 2 years and to who including their names and addresses, just so you can check.

You say I am full of it, well prove it.

[Dave Willis]

I think it was more the 50k + earnings you claim, that dropped overnight to £600 a week for two (previously three of you), or maybe the multiple vans you don't actually own, possibly the franchise offer you have when in fact you earn very little, as you admitted last night. No-one is questioning your personal health are they? No one is bullying you. Just that nobody can understand the figures you give out - they change every week. Most people on here can't offer the "i'll come back and clean in the afternoon or at a time to suit you" policy simply because most of us have too much work to dart from one place to another. The only windies who can offer this are the ones without enough work like yourself. Phoning the night before is fine if that's what you want to do. Just doesn't suit everyone. I don't think the guys who don't phone have much to worry about to be honest.

[Frankybadboy]

keep taking them tablets.

you said you was being bullied,,prove where......

no ones bullied you,just i dont believe you.

iam aloud a opinion,and can say what i feel,

the problem as stated before,i read your post over the years and it DONT ADD UP.

Franchise window cleaning, LETS START THERE,you aint quite got enough work to keep you going for quote "more than 3 days a week cleaning windows"

staff trip to gambia........yes right........

so really, i think your full of it,dont try to be something you aint

[Dave Mills]

Must be terrible being bullied. I feel for Pur Hydro on this one. Must have felt strange showing lawyers and other professional people with connections to people with stately homes etc, transcripts from a window cleaning forum  

I can imagine it went down really well. "Look gentlemen, here's a forum I'm a big noise on, and look how I'm being bullied".

Did they read all 9 pages of what some window cleaners had to say about calling the night before cleaning?? I must get to take part in these breakfast clubs. Sounds really interesting. Are they free or do you pay a monthly sub? What's the next subject for next week? Moat cleaning forums or butler replacement kneecap costs?

I feel humble in the presence of such people that discuss such topics in depth.







(Some of the above was sarcasm )

As far as I can see, almost every post you make is made up of nothing but sarcasm.  Do you have anything to say that isnt aimed at people?

[C o z y]

No not really. That's what I do. I expose people who feel the need to bluster and pump themselves up. Just a weakness of mine. Feel free to report me if you feel threatened. Can we get back on topic now??

[Dave Willis]

Anyway, I have one customer who insists I phone the night before ever since I flicked the gate bolt back and walked past her topless in her hot tub. 

[Dave Mills]

No not really. That's what I do. I expose people who feel the need to bluster and pump themselves up. Just a weakness of mine. Feel free to report me if you feel threatened. Can we get back on topic now??

I see what youre doing now. When someone points out that youre less than perfect, you dont deal with what they say you just claim to want to get back on topic.

Very clever until its seen through.

So, do you use anything but sarcasm?  Is that all there is in your sad little world?


Now, can we get back on topic please?  (see how daft you sound)

[C o z y]

OK, we'll put me on the spot. Never mind the topic of the OP. You've come to help the breakfast club member who has 3 days a weeks worth of work and is starting a franchise. I'm just a bully and I use sarasm. Luckily, you spotted that and have exposed me. Well done. Is there any chance of staying on topic?

Don't really know why I bother answering posts like yours. Must be getting old.

I've noticed Hydro, that people who have a problem with the "image" of this window cleaning game, they tend to try and give off some sort of image of businessman. They aren't window cleaners anymore, they are cleaning contractors, or small business owners etc.

When they are at parties or "breakfast clubs" they say they have a "small to medium sized cleaning set up". Easy to spot. Sad, but people are people. To wear a suit and work in Lidl as a "manager" on less tha 7 quid an hour is better than telling someone you clean other people's windows.

I was like that when I first started. I moved on and soon saw what could be earned in a short day in this game. One day Hydro, you may also reach the point in life where you realize it's not about image and posturing, it's about earning enough to have a good lifestyle and peace of mind or having your own business, or being happy about how you go through your day.

Just accept that window cleaning is a way of earning a living. The longer you struggle against what you are doing for an income, and try to make people think you're something else, the more unhappy you will make yourself, and the more ridicule you will attract.

We are all in the same boat, some earn more than others etc etc. It's like sex, the more you get, the less you need to tell everybody. Simple.

Shame you feel bullied, how could that happen??

[rosskesava]

Anyway....

It was a nice day today in the warm sunshine and a nice day to be out working and cleaning windows.

The birds were singing away in the trees and I watched butterflies sunning themselves in the warm sunshine.

All in all, what a pleasant day and it's good to on this forum where everyone is such good friends and very polite to each other.

[AuRavelling79]

William - I'm pleasantly surprised that people who go to "breakfast clubs" to gain and exchange contacts and "leads" would be overly concerned about their window cleaning. How many of these clubs do you belong to? And do you get that sort of response every week?

And what sort of business leads do you bring to the table in return? That's how it works isn't it?

[MWC]

Is this carry on really a "window cleaning issue" because its in this section