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mark dew

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Re: Can you call before you come next time
« Reply #100 on: May 30, 2012, 07:52:07 pm »
'tony johns,' you made some interesting points about customers earlier. My thinking is also similar to that.  :)

Re: Can you call before you come next time
« Reply #101 on: May 30, 2012, 08:05:10 pm »
Tony

I will not argue with you or your fantastic memory, but things change and I have updated along the timeline.

Over the last 2 years I have employed over 8 people including my nephew, who was sacked 6 weeks ago.

At the moment I only employ 1 person for 3 days a week, I have another who does the odd day, when I need him, I also have some contract work which requires me to call on other cleaners who I know.

I have also just taken on a full time canvasser who started this monday.

Like everythin but I though in life apart from window cleaning, things change and we adapt.

There are cleaners who know me personally who know what I say is true or not, personally I don't care anymore, but I thought that forums were for the exchange of ideas and working methods, when someone says that there is a new piece of equipment that can do the job quicker or better we all want to know, but as soon as you mention that you run your business differently and you end up working less or earning more for less hours you are attacked.


Perfect Windows

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Re: Can you call before you come next time
« Reply #103 on: May 30, 2012, 08:09:59 pm »
I hereby formally predict that "Tony Johns" will not be posting on this forum in three months.  I've seen a hundred people like him on a dozen different forums.  Come in all belligerent, ranting left right and centre, launching ad hominem attacks (that's against the person rather than against the argument, Tony) in every direction and always know best because they have been doing the job for a hundred years.

The last one on here was londoncleaners.  This guy will go the same way.

They all run out of energy and disappear.

Vin

C o z y

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Re: Can you call before you come next time
« Reply #104 on: May 30, 2012, 08:17:36 pm »
There are both good and bad points on having either 1 man or 2 man van set-ups, personally I prefer a 2 man set up.

There are a lot of benefits for a start on large commercial 2 men are faster than one, on domestic although they will not be able to do twice as much work as a one man van, the costs saved from only using one van instead of two and the extra amount they can do is just the same as having two vans on the road.

The other thing is sick and holidays, you need to plan for both of these, on a two man set up if one is off at least the other can carry on, with a one man set up, when he is off that van is not earning.

With regard to the customers and them getting only to know the cleaner who turns up, well I always call the night before, so I am always meeting all my customers every month, even though I don't clean their properties.

and as for the cleaner doing odd jobs on the side or taking my customers and starting up on his own, well the first is easy, the van is set-up with a gps tracking device, I know where its been and for how long.

and on the second point I have a water tight employment contract in place and if they do take on any of my customers within the first year of leaving my company and I can sue them for the lost income, so thats what I will do, I will wait 50 weeks and then take them to court and get the past 50 weeks of work they have done and been paid for, paid to me.

Of course getting the right cleaner and paying well should stop this.

You need a good memory Hydro, e.g. what you post in what thread and when.  ;D

I don't really care if you care. I try to advise peope if I know what I'm talking about, I'm not here to try and impress anyone, unlike one or two upset members on this thread. ;)
Can't keep everyone happy. ;D Like Steve sed has already pointed out, this customer "smells" bad. Simple.

That was a really good post about multiple vans though, even though you made it up as you went along. Forums are there to get help, advice and tips. They also attract Water Mitty types though. These are easy to spot, they use funny words and contradict their own posts. Nobody seems to have a strong enough memory to remember when the bullpooped and in which threads.  ;D  Anyway, hit the report to moderator button and hope the other members will forget that you tripped up.  :D
No still don't understand, I must be thick

C o z y

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Re: Can you call before you come next time
« Reply #105 on: May 30, 2012, 08:21:15 pm »
I hereby formally predict that "Tony Johns" will not be posting on this forum in three months.  I've seen a hundred people like him on a dozen different forums.  Come in all belligerent, ranting left right and centre, launching ad hominem attacks (that's against the person rather than against the argument, Tony) in every direction and always know best because they have been doing the job for a hundred years.

The last one on here was londoncleaners.  This guy will go the same way.

They all run out of energy and disappear.

Vin

Fantastic post, but we've forgotten about the reason for this thread. The OP has taken what advice he wanted and will learn from it or maybe not. Try not to get too upset that he didn't thank you personally for your in-put. Maybe the next time you give an opinion, someone will agree. Who knows?  :-*
No still don't understand, I must be thick

C o z y

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Re: Can you call before you come next time
« Reply #106 on: May 30, 2012, 08:24:53 pm »
Oh by the way, I don't expect to be here longer than 3 hours!!! Feel the grim reeper with the "ban stick" very close already  ;D ;D ;D
No still don't understand, I must be thick

GDwindowcleaning

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Re: Can you call before you come next time
« Reply #107 on: May 30, 2012, 09:32:57 pm »
Tony for someone that says there is no right and wrong you are very good at telling people they are wrong and totally ripping into them at a personal level...

You dont need a full round to have an opinion on customer service....

You are a relic who thinks he knows it all and are totally closed to new ideas, nobody is too good to learn....

 you said you were out ages ago to me yet you still here having a pop!

C o z y

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Re: Can you call before you come next time
« Reply #108 on: May 30, 2012, 09:40:01 pm »
Yeah, as I said before GD
"They also attract Water Mitty types though. These are easy to spot, they use funny words and contradict their own posts". It seems to me that you're one of the members who are upset about the OP not taking your advice onboard. That's just what a forum like this is about. There is no wrong and right, just opinions, and this time yours wasn't taken up. Try to get over it, you won't get adoring fans every time you come out with your pearls of wisdom. That's the way it is.

By the way, "I'm out" was meant as a spoof of Dragon's Den, a TV show for people who think they're have a great idea. "I'm out" is meant that I don't agree in this case with what you or the other forum advisers were saying. Hope you're not too upset and will sleep well tonight.

Anyway, time for beebyes for me, see you tomorrow if I'm not banned for being "orrible"  ;)
No still don't understand, I must be thick

GDwindowcleaning

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Re: Can you call before you come next time
« Reply #109 on: May 30, 2012, 09:46:13 pm »
Lol I couldnt give a monkeys if people take my line or not, there were plenty who agreed....

And normally dunc says no more once he says I am out....


bobplum

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Re: Can you call before you come next time
« Reply #110 on: May 30, 2012, 10:49:05 pm »
IAN..............WHAT THE HELL HAVE YOU STARTED :-*

Ian101

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Re: Can you call before you come next time
« Reply #111 on: May 30, 2012, 11:05:50 pm »
IAN..............WHAT THE HELL HAVE YOU STARTED :-*

not me nope .... its all Mrs Jones fault  ;D

Re: Can you call before you come next time
« Reply #112 on: May 30, 2012, 11:29:21 pm »
There are both good and bad points on having either 1 man or 2 man van set-ups, personally I prefer a 2 man set up.

There are a lot of benefits for a start on large commercial 2 men are faster than one, on domestic although they will not be able to do twice as much work as a one man van, the costs saved from only using one van instead of two and the extra amount they can do is just the same as having two vans on the road.

The other thing is sick and holidays, you need to plan for both of these, on a two man set up if one is off at least the other can carry on, with a one man set up, when he is off that van is not earning.

With regard to the customers and them getting only to know the cleaner who turns up, well I always call the night before, so I am always meeting all my customers every month, even though I don't clean their properties.

and as for the cleaner doing odd jobs on the side or taking my customers and starting up on his own, well the first is easy, the van is set-up with a gps tracking device, I know where its been and for how long.

and on the second point I have a water tight employment contract in place and if they do take on any of my customers within the first year of leaving my company and I can sue them for the lost income, so thats what I will do, I will wait 50 weeks and then take them to court and get the past 50 weeks of work they have done and been paid for, paid to me.

Of course getting the right cleaner and paying well should stop this.

You need a good memory Hydro, e.g. what you post in what thread and when.  ;D

I don't really care if you care. I try to advise peope if I know what I'm talking about, I'm not here to try and impress anyone, unlike one or two upset members on this thread. ;)
Can't keep everyone happy. ;D Like Steve sed has already pointed out, this customer "smells" bad. Simple.

That was a really good post about multiple vans though, even though you made it up as you went along. Forums are there to get help, advice and tips. They also attract Water Mitty types though. These are easy to spot, they use funny words and contradict their own posts. Nobody seems to have a strong enough memory to remember when the bullpooped and in which threads.  ;D  Anyway, hit the report to moderator button and hope the other members will forget that you tripped up.  :D

If you read the post correctly I gave my opinion on what I think is the best set ups, and for domestic 1 man vans are ok, unless its tightly packed work where 2 men in 1 van will work better the same applies to commercial.

Yes you are right how can I give an opinion on what setup are best if I only work 3 days a week, well lets look at that,  if I didn't employ or take casuals on, I would be working 7 or 8 days every week of the year with my current workload, I instead look at working a smarter way.

Some examples

I have a contract in Gloucester I do every 3 months, if one man was to do it, it would take him 3 to 3 1/2 days to do, 3 months ago I used 1 van and 2 staff and it took 2 days, last week I did the same job in 1 day, this time I used 3 staff and one van plus 2 backpacks.

Last year I did a carpet cleaning contract in sheffield that took one van 2 machines and 2 cleaners 5 days to do, this year I intend to use 4 staff and 4 machines and I should complete the lot in 2 days.

I do the same with all my work, every time I have to do it again I look at cleaning it faster, paying a wage for the day and being able to double my income is good sense to me, but others won't agree and thats fine with them.

I don't need to lie, my work is growing but I also look and use smarter ways to do this work, of course there will come a time when I max out on what can be done with what I have now, when this happens another van will go on the road.

a mate of mine works 5 days a week, from 8 to 5 with a helper and at times he earns the same or less than me, he know what I do, and how I do it, but he is happy with what he is doing.

Mind you, he has taken some notice to pricing and how I operate and his son who now looks after the window cleaning side has heathy small round that is growing faster than they thought.

But like you said its upto each one of us on how we run our businesses, but I feel that with my turnover into days worked and profit margins achieved does give me the right to post on topics. 

Re: Can you call before you come next time
« Reply #113 on: May 30, 2012, 11:35:50 pm »
and back to the original question of calling or not the night before, so far this week I would have lost £87 if I had not called.

So for 30 minutes of hassle £87 is a good little earner

KS Cleaning

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Re: Can you call before you come next time
« Reply #114 on: May 31, 2012, 12:08:19 am »
I only phone 3 customers(when I remember)out of my whole round,to ask them to leave alarm off.In response to the OP's dilemna,I would get rid,more hassle than it's worth,sounds like she is a right messer.

Ronnie Bryce

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Re: Can you call before you come next time
« Reply #115 on: May 31, 2012, 12:29:35 am »
I recon she is well frustrated. Offer to give her a right good humping. Can turn them around to your way of thinking in no time!! Get's messy after a few month's though.

Paul Coleman

Re: Can you call before you come next time
« Reply #116 on: May 31, 2012, 06:26:57 am »
and back to the original question of calling or not the night before, so far this week I would have lost £87 if I had not called.

So for 30 minutes of hassle £87 is a good little earner

The funny thing about this is that I lost £70 because I DID call.  This was two customers - customers that can be replaced by a bit of door knocking for "turn up and clean" work if I choose to go down that route.  I may well replace one of them as they seem to be turning into a serial messer but the other one seems OK (so far).  I am lost as to why anyone would prefer a "pre-notify" job over a "turn up and clean".  I realise that money can be left out but a cheque in the post or a bank transfer can soon remedy that.  Turn up and clean does mean more money outstanding generally but once you get to that position, it doesn't worsen.  This is because double payments are coming in from previous visits while some fail to pay promptly in the here and now.  The two tend to balance out once the first few weeks have been overcome.

Dave Willis

Re: Can you call before you come next time
« Reply #117 on: May 31, 2012, 07:45:40 am »
Turn up and clean when it suits me - that's all I want.

No time to fart around calling back when they decide.

dazmond

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Re: Can you call before you come next time
« Reply #118 on: May 31, 2012, 08:11:00 am »
ruddy hell HYDRO!!you was on the phone 30 mins the night before?did you ask her how the kids were?and wheres shes going for her summer holidays? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

2 mins tops if i have to pre notify. ;) ;D ;D ;D

luckily its only for a few customers here and there.most are turn up and clean.just the way i like it! ;) ;D ;D ;D
price higher/work harder!

C o z y

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Re: Can you call before you come next time
« Reply #119 on: May 31, 2012, 08:41:20 am »
Hydro, I must remember to read all of your post when I can be bothered have time. I'm sure you have a huge internetional business and it's hard to stay on top of things when running multiple vans and organising armies of workers. Hours spent on the phone every night making sure that your battalions of smartly dressed and well drilled window cleaners have access to the Gherkin and all the other properties in the Westminster area that you have in your huge customer base.......................................................................
Try not to contradict yourself so often Hydro, at least not on the same day!!  :D :D

Three members on this thread are upset that their advice wasn't accepted with grateful grovelling from the OP. Get over your own ego's lads. It's only window cleaning, not "The Apprentice  ??? If you feel the need to use clever quotes and like to impress people with your business "skills", get into a trade that needs barely more than 4 brain cells to handle.

Anyway, back to work for me. I feel truly humble in the presence of such business guru's as I've seen on this thread. I aspire to, one day, be called worthy to ask for your advice.


Now if you'll excuse me, there's a bucket outside that I need to be sick into  ;)
No still don't understand, I must be thick