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I've just been threatend with violence....
« on: January 30, 2004, 04:52:07 pm »
Hi all,

The missis and I have just been threated by some heavy (from London - he says) who employs a local window cleaner.

He approached us, stated he knows were we live, where our little girl goes to school and to keep away from certain areas.

He stated he was the 'nice guy' and if he has to speak to us again, he will be accompanied by the 'bad guy'.  I offered to sort it out then and there - but was very glad he didn't want to take me up on the offer.

He came across as some gangerster drug-dealer type and I even had to laugh and told him it wasn't drug dealing, just window cleaning!

He said he was from a firm called WEBSTERS; he'd travelled here (South Wales) from London and had to go to Norwich to sort out another 'problem window cleaner'.

Anybody ever heard of WEBSTERS or came across similar threatening behaviour?

A policeman is visiting us to take a statement and I refuse to be intimidated.

Any advice?

Thanks.


simonb

Re: I've just been threatend with violence....
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2004, 05:12:09 pm »
Do you have a little girl and was she with you at the time? If not you need to take it seriously - get car reg no etc

pdhanson

Re: I've just been threatend with violence....
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2004, 07:14:00 pm »
This is shocking.

You did the right thing to get the police involved.  People like that need to be dealt with.

Old Master this is not a laughing matter.

Philip

Terry_Burrows

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Re: I've just been threatend with violence....
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2004, 07:20:16 pm »
;)I never have known of such a name ???I know people
in the area I will make sounds to find out! ???I have been window cleaning for some 27 years I get to know
people,companys etc,you must check out if you can about the info he gave you about your girl :-/

I do know a lot of people.
WWW.FASTESTWINDOWCLEANER.CO.UK
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BURNING RUBBER FASTER!
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Mike_Boxall

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Re: I've just been threatend with violence....
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2004, 07:42:39 pm »
I agree with Phillip - it's not a laughing matter!

Do you know any other local window cleaners? I'd try and find out if any of them have had any hassle and make a decision from there. It always makes you think twice when they threaten your kids.

Regards

Mike

seanc

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Re: I've just been threatend with violence....
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2004, 08:43:05 pm »
good luck with the old bill has any one else had this prob
keep us all posted on what happens and i know its easyer said than done but try not to worry
sean
do it today tommorow never comes

taffy_2

Re: I've just been threatend with violence....
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2004, 09:01:29 pm »
>:(you were right to get the old bill involved dont hesitate next time get discription get reg no anything if you see any thing suyspicious or anybody aproaches you just go and knock a door or go over to the nearest person you can find >:(

Mikey Warner

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Re: I've just been threatend with violence....
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2004, 09:16:38 pm »
This is bad poop!!

Would this guy worry if he was taking your work away from you?? No, i don't think so, it's business, it's what puts the food on the table and keeps a roof over your head. Best thing to do is get it sorted mate, if the police are interested though ??? i think they are more interested in stopping people in cars ?? >:(

I am also waiting to be approached by a guy and his lads but the closest violence i've had from them was one of his croanies threw and extremely large snowball at my motor when i picked the kids up from my mum's yesterday ::) who know's? snowballs today, water bombs tommorow ::)

karlosdaze

Re: I've just been threatend with violence....
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2004, 09:50:28 pm »
Could you not do some detective work yourself. Find the area the guy was working in, and try & find a client of his & see if he has given out a receipt. I don't think the Police would go to these lengths-stretched as always. He'll be back in 3/4 weeks, see if his car or van is in the area, then give Mr. Plod a ring.

heritage lee

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Re: I've just been threatend with violence....
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2004, 10:02:17 pm »
call me i no off them they full of shi*
07762480520

Re: I've just been threatend with violence....
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2004, 03:10:59 am »
Thanks guys,

The policeman was great (even though he looked about twelve years old).  He arrived before Jess returned from school, as requested.  Helen had noted the registration number of the car, although this belonged to the window cleaner (Matt), not the guy who threatend us:

The policeman said the following:

    He could speak to the window cleaner - to advise      
    him to lay off.

    The incident will be logged and any further incidents  
    can be classed as harrassment, and/or a public order
    offence because he threatend us.

I have phoned two other local window cleaners: one offered to help me out intimidating him in return.  I refused the offer, but it was nice to receive.  They don't know much about him because the vast majority of his round consists of an army married quarter area of about three hundred houses where he is the sole window cleaner.  

Unfortunately (for Matt), they're on a unit move to Northern Ireland and a new battalion is moving in.  Many of the occupants moving out dislike Matt (so didn't have him as a window cleaner and done without) and have asked me to clean their married quarters on the 'march out'.  

Initially I didn't want to do this; so priced high (£25 for inside and out for a small two or three bedroomed house - takes about forty minutes) - I was a Warrant Officer in the Battalion and I thought lads would take the proverbial out of me.  

However the demand was high and when I saw Matt in the area, I told him what I was doing.  I was cleaning the houses he didn't clean, so they could hand them over to the estate warden.  I also mistakenly told him how much I was charging.  He saw red, had a whine, said he was the window cleaner for that area.  I told him I wouldn't argue - not in front of the soldiers - they'd only take the p@ss.  

That's what got his back up!  

Rethinking the incident, the window cleaner is half-caste and the guy who threatened me was black and bore a striking resemblance to Matt.  We think he was actually his father; who did a good impersonation of a drug-dealing gangster.  We reckon the Matt didn't want to make it sound like he needed his Dad to help him sort out a problem, so they concocted this story.

It didn't help much when they were were both towering threatenly over me, both shouting, (I'm not short, but they're big) and Helen (who's 5' 1") shouted "you're both a bunch of W@@@@@@S".

On parting, the threatening guy said he would get Matt to discuss the matter with me (because it was beneath him to talk 'nuts and bolts' and he had to get to Norwich to sort out another 'problem window cleaner').  I told him, I might divide the married quarter area up with him (then imediately regretted compromising with bullies).  

He wouldn't give me a telephone number, and the final words I asked were "So Matt cleans windows and pays money to you?  How does that work if you live in London?" (We're in South Wales).
He replied "He cleans windows, that's all you need to know".

I'm now torn between:

    1.   Keeping away from the married quarter estate -
    and letting the bullies win.

    2.   Doing the married quarter estate - two fingers
    to them.

    3.  Finding out where he lives (I've been told the
    area), getting friend to phone and say "come and
    clean my windows, but I'm never in, I'll have to send
    a cheque", and giving them a visit with a balaclava  
    and a stout piece of wood.

The grown up thing would be to do option 2, but I would like to do option 3, but I'll probably end up doing option 1!

I thought window cleaning was meant to be stress free!



mickeyfat

Re: I've just been threatend with violence....
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2004, 03:31:47 am »
do number 2
arnt the bullies always supposed to be the wimps!...somthing i heard once thats all! ;D

Re: I've just been threatend with violence....
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2004, 04:18:58 am »
Well, I call myself the most highly decorated window cleaner in Chepstow, being an ex-soldier of 16 years in Northern Ireland (hiding behind garden walls), Gulf 1990/91, Bosnia 93 and 94, Kosovo when it was bad - not to mention all the punch ups in the NAAFI or Sergeants Mess.

But these are two big thick lads...

I'm no soft touch, but I reckon I'm either going to lose face and do as they want, or get a bloody-good kicking!

Anyone got any martial arts advice?

Londoner

Re: I've just been threatend with violence....
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2004, 09:59:13 am »
First of all, you have my sympathy. This may only be some idiot shooting his mouth off but it is a real worry all the same.
What I would say is that you should try to face it out however hard that may seem. If you are seen to buckle as a result they have won.
You might consider buying one of those disposable cameras and keeping it in your pocket. If you are approached again start taking photos. It works, people in that position really don't want their photos taken and it gets you some  hard evidence for the police.
Whatever you do don't go out tooled up which is a big temptation.
Good luck  - we are all with you

paul33

Re: I've just been threatend with violence....
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2004, 01:06:05 pm »
Who does this GUY think he is? Im not a violent man but if it came to my family's well being then i would become violent, Regardless of his name this is your family and your income to provide for them.The problem this GUY has is he wants to intimidate you through your family and to be fair i see why you are worried but if i were you i would carry on doing my work and inform the police like you have done....Why not employ someone who is a hard man yourself to work beside you then if this happens again the problem is halfed,threats are normally nothing more than that but if you put countermeasures in place the threat tends to reduce
itself. CAMERA i think i would be carrying something a little more than that whether right or wrong this GUY would not intimidate me or my family but good luck and i hope this sorts itself out for you as i would not like to be facing such a problem in the first instance!!!!

Ian_Giles

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Re: I've just been threatend with violence....
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2004, 08:38:00 pm »
Tosh mate,
I am shocked that such things can go on in our area.
The next time you are doing the army barracks let me know, you know I am usually in and around the town centre, and I can be down the camp in a few minutes, I am sure Simon and a couple of the others will rally to your support too.
My missus has the number of the officer that sorts out trouble outside of the camp with regard to local people, is it the 'unit family officer'? or something like that.
As you are ex army yourself you are probably aware how dim a view they take of this type of thing. I can PM you with the number if you like, I'll also PM you my mobile number.
But like most of the other guys on the forum have said, don't back down, take photo's, either you or your missus start dialing on the mobile, tell him you too have the ability to reach anywhere in the country (this and other forums) and bad news travels much faster than good.
He can back off or him and his company can be blackballed everywhere decent window cleaners go.
Thugs like this don't deserve to be in business.

I am sure that if you could contact a few of us other local cleaners, and we all turn up as back up for you, they will back off, and with photographic evidence on hand I am sure you can reverse things.
If the red caps and the army get to here that someone is trying to start a turf war, I can't imagine this Matt will have any work at all in that area, ask him if he thinks trying to get heavy with you is worth the hassle. >:( >:( >:(

With you all the way mate,

Ian
Ian. ISM CLEANING SERVICES

Gordon_Taylor

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Re: I've just been threatend with violence....
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2004, 02:27:24 am »
I've got a little girl who is 11 month's old now and belive me I would not suffer anyone who threaten her, personally I'd bash the biggest one first then see if the other one fancied a chance, Don't let anyone bullie you no matter how big they are.

Good luck.

Gordon

P.s. if all else fails introduce the scumbag to a blow torch and pair of pliers >:(
Quality is doing it right, even when no-one is looking.

Re: I've just been threatend with violence....
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2004, 12:49:13 am »
Cheers for the support, guys.  I've stopped doing the camp area - purely to avoid a brick through my window - but I've lots of work elsewhere.

It's nice to receive your support.

Thanks.

(Let this one die a death - I'd like to forget about the whole unpleasant business.)


Duke

Re: I've just been threatend with violence....
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2004, 02:53:58 pm »
sorry to read about all that....fortunately, round our area, most cleaners from different companies know each other, and it's all really friendly and chatty. Theres plenty out there for all of us....

gaza

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Re: I've just been threatend with violence....
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2004, 12:38:06 am »
i had some trouble with 6 lads with golf clubs two weeks ago
stood my ground with 2 crook locks  and a screwdriver for 10 mins while the police arrived,big police put there sirens on half a mile away,gang ran putting a brick through my van side window.I have been threatened with further violence
bring it on cus i know who they are and were there parents cars are this all started because i refused to clean one of their mothers windows cus she owed me 2 cleans.many off my customers have informed me were i can park and leave my van because they ave cameras looking over their houses
and anything moving will be detected.ive cleaned around that area for three years or more and never noticed some off them. now for the lighter side anywhere will do when you want a pee lads im wondering if im on some fettish web site with all these cameras.so a word of warning watch were you hang out lads big brother may be watching you
IM AT THAT AGE MY BACK GOES OUT MORE THAN I DO