[rosskesava]

don't worry, I have stopped saying what I do, and I have now stopped helping anyone from getting what I get.

What I do and how I do, is up to others to figure out how i do it, and I don;t really care anymore, I got more important things to look at and do, why bother.

O, I will leave the typo error to prove I am human and can admit mistakes when they happen, just the same as when I type the truth, which a lot either cannot believe or don't want others to hear.

I think you are secretly willy waving by writing the above.

If you actually didn't care, you wouldn't have written that you don't care. People that genuinely don't care tend not write about how they don't care. It's sort of contradictory.

On most forums, like this one, it's best not to take things too seriously.

[H2GoKent]

I view this forum to exchange tips with like minded people. It has helped me, and in return I offer tips that I have found helpful.

To post earnings is not helpful really. I have earnt good money on a Monday only for it to rain the rest of the week. The turnover figure is not the amount you will take home. So I think posting earnings doesn't encourage/help anyone, and it's not the purpose of this forum, do that down the pub if you need the ego boost, personally I'm not interested in what you earn, I do alright, that's all that matters to me.

If you were employed and earnt £10 an hour, it would cost your employer around £20-£25 an hour to employ you, we cover all these costs ourselves, so it's best not to get overexcited about a good day.

If you work hard w/cleaning allows you to earn a decent living, and you can get to see your kids.
I have earnt more in the past than now, 2009 I lost two large contracts, if I had got carried away about how much they made me I would now be out of business.

[dazmond]

the profit you ve made after all expenses,tax,insurances etc have been taken out of your yearly income is the reality of how much your earning.

i think if your left with £20,000 profit after ALL expenses and tax at the end of the year as a one man band your doing a lot better than a lot on here!!!!

c mon i think everyone should put up how much profit they ve made after all deductions!!!!!

i read a report the other week saying that over 65% of people lie/exaggerate on forums,internet,facebooketc.GO FIGURE!!!

[Tom White]

don't worry, I have stopped saying what I do, and I have now stopped helping anyone from getting what I get.

What I do and how I do, is up to others to figure out how i do it, and I don;t really care anymore, I got more important things to look at and do, why bother.

O, I will leave the typo error to prove I am human and can admit mistakes when they happen, just the same as when I type the truth, which a lot either cannot believe or don't want others to hear.

I think you are secretly willy waving by writing the above.

If you actually didn't care, you wouldn't have written that you don't care. People that genuinely don't care tend not write about how they don't care. It's sort of contradictory.

On most forums, like this one, it's best not to take things too seriously.

Spot on, Wossy, about the not caring bit.  I was going to explain that, but I didn't care enough to do so at the time.

[Roy Cauldery]

I think that I'm very old fashioned and just like my dad ,who always said that you just never asked what someone was earning?
If they are successful, you will see just by pointers (new vans, more staff for multiple operators and nice new shiny sport type work vans for single operators who always seem to be on holiday)
There will be always a few who will live completely beyond their means in dream land, remebering a local undertaker in my home town, flying round in italian sportscar,riding harleys everywhere who spectacularly went bust owing 100's of k's
To some extent this is a pointless thread , because we will have such a dichotomy of answers that it will never reveal any grain of truth for newbies or pros alike
Only an accountant will give you an answer if you were looking to buy or sell because by then, your really at the sharp end of the truth

As for me, I would like to think I'm doing ok for a fairly fresh face in the game - I'm working really hard to provide for my family and that, in a nutshell, is all I care about and I don't waste energy dreaming about ifs,maybes and could have beens

[William McCafferty]

Why would anyone in their right mind want to help all the competition earn as much or more than them? Are you nuts?
That's their business and if they aren't blabbing anyway then it's no concern to me what they earn. It's none of my business and who cares anyway?
What makes you think you're earning more than everyone else anyway? You might well be on the bottom of the pile. 

I don't mind helping anyone out, I have spoken to some cleaners around my areas and when prices have been mentioned, we have both learn't.

I have learn't that you can ask and get more than I was, because my competitors are charging more, I also come across cleaners who are charging a lot less than me but they felt that they cound't ask for more, after some encouragement they now charge more.

I have also helped out my competitors by borrowing/giving them equipment or even work, if you remember I even offered you a brand new controller when you had your problems.

I don't see the harm, I don't tell them everything of course, my commercial contract prices and contact details are never disclosed.

A new guy has just started around my area and he is charging £10 for front and back and the insides as well.

I think I will keep quite with this guy as he has tried to get a couple of pubs with these prices off me.

I don't mind him undercutting me and if I lose the pubs, well their carpet and upholstery cleaning bill will increase, and when he goes out of business or they want me back, well their old price will be replaced by a newer one which is 50% higher.

[Dave Willis]

You did indeed offer me a controller once, but that's the point I'm making - there are loads of ways to help fellow windowcleaners out and like I said before bragging isn't one of them. I was also recently helped out by two guys on here when my van was hit off the road. One I'd never met in my life and yet he willingly lent me a spare tank whilst the other fetched it for me.
That's when forums really come into their own and I'd like to feel I would do the same if I got the chance. Just my opinion and one I unfortunately feel strongly about.

[Halfadaylee]

You did indeed offer me a controller once, but that's the point I'm making - there are loads of ways to help fellow windowcleaners out and like I said before bragging isn't one of them. I was also recently helped out by two guys on here when my van was hit off the road. One I'd never met in my life and yet he willingly lent me a spare tank whilst the other fetched it for me.
That's when forums really come into their own and I'd like to feel I would do the same if I got the chance. Just my opinion and one I unfortunately feel strongly about.

The best post in four pages.

I am happy to keep my earnings private.
Years ago Taxi drivers earnt great money untill that was discovered and now they are over run with drivers all earning far less.
The same will happen, is happening to us I'm sure
Art

[Tom White]

Do you think some people find their self esteem in their daily turnover, hence the need for them to brag about it?

[Frankybadboy]

Do you think some people find their self esteem in their daily turnover, hence the need for them to brag about it?

yes