[JM123]

Hi guys - could do with bit o advice.
Want a smallish van to put a 650ltr delivery unit into, want sliding doors both sides, anyone recommend a van to take this weight?? Don't want anything as big as a transit if I can get away with it.  Anyone here use a 650ltr tank in van??

[genesis_windows]

try peugot expert/citroen dispatch/fiat scudo as they are the all the same and come with twin sliding doors.
i use a 650ltr tank in an Ldv pilot but it can take a 1000ltr tank.
650ltrs of water is 650kgs in weight so any van you use needs to be able to carry at least 800/850kgs to take into account the driver , hoses ,ladders etc.
if you need any other help or advice let me know as i used to build systems for a very well known company.
you can email me on  genesis_window_specialist@yahoo.co.uk
hope this helps
russell

[JM123]

Thanks, the actual statics and structural dynamics involved is fine. (studied engineering at University)  I just don't know the payloads of the vans and which are proven to be more reliable.  Whats the LDV pilot like?? Size, reliability etc??

[Moderator David@stives]

A Transit is the ideal vehicle for wfp,I use a transit and cant imagine working with anything smaller even that feels too small at times

[JM123]

yeah I agree, the Transit is probably the best choice but so far we have a merc, an audi, a golf, a toledo, a polo and 2 306's in the yard so runnin out of space badly, plus there's NNNOOOOOO room in the garage.

[genesis_windows]

my Ldv has a payload of 1450kgs, sorry, didnt mean to insult your intelligence with all the other stuff.
the van is very reliable, pulls the load effortlessly and on an "R" reg last year cost me £1,500. its ex postal shiny red no rust and looks pretty good with ivory sign writing.
as isaid, would hold 1000ltrs easy but i have 2000ltrs in my garage so didnt need to carry extra weight and increase my fuel bill.
a few friends of mine run the puegots but never have room for anything else in their vans and they find them a wee bit small.
the Ldv is the same size(ish) as the transit but is a lot cheaper to buy but as ex postal its got an extra row of seats in and windows 1/2 way down so it seats six, perfect for my needs as i can get more blokes to site in one vehicle on big jobs. seats come out in 5 mins so more space if needed

[sair]

 i like the range that genesissujesed  is very good the newer ones have a pay load of 935 including driver according to fiat garage .the 110 bhp in either range gives good perforance everything  fits in well has three seats i have installed over 12 last year with systems . i will be getting one for myself just searching for one cant make up mind new or second hand as my kangoo is out with new lad working windows for me most days, still need van for th days i go of early

[www.mrgutters.co.uk]

hi all

yeah i am undecided with what to get too i went and bought a pickup double cab but its not that practacal , so want to go back toa van had a t4 transporter nice and not too bad on fuel . been looking and a dispatch t/s/l/d i think this would make cleaning real easy ,as will cut down a bit on setup time .

shawn

[Mike Hunt]

Ive got a transit 80.
I couldnt imagine going back to a car now.
Not sure what the pay load is though.

[KJG]

I think the smallest you could safely get away with would be a Citroen Dispatch/equivalent sized van.

Don't forget the brakes and suspension etc will get a serious sh@gging with a full 650 tank so maybe bigger is better.

If you decide to go Transit size, have a look at the Vauxhall Movano. I used one a few years ago with a 1000 tank and found it a much better and quieter ride than a Transit - nothing worse than the sound of a Transit screaming up hill

[marc al]

  I've got a Merc Vito, not as quite as big as a transit, got a low roof level if you want to put ladders on top, although mine fits inside over the top of my 1000ltr tank.

[Mike Hunt]

Can anyone tell me the payload of my transit 80.
           

[www.mrgutters.co.uk]

800kg i think ?

just seen the fiat doblo look quite nice really

shawn

[neil100]

I was going to buy a dispatch, it has twin slideing doors on the side,  my mate runs one with wfp.

Bhttp://www.airevancentre.co.uk/peugeot.htm. This is a good site were you can find payloads and dimensions and compare makes.But if you want a 650 tank in a Dispatch size van then you will go over the max payload.

915kg payload is for the hdi version only. And their is a massive price increase for having this engine. Which is totally wasted for useing it for wfp. You will not be driving like sterling moss, if your loaded up to the gills.

If i had got the HDI the biggest tank I could of put in was 550ltr. The wight of the tank, frame etc if its DI only was coming in at over 650- 700kg. Two people, fuel,roof rack, ladders, etc. It all adds up.

At the end of the day, their is not a lot of room for your stuff, Poles on the Roofrack.
I saw my mates and decided Iwanted something bigger.I got a Fiat Ducato 2.0 jtd with acres of space inside. This little pic is the interior.

Its a 800ltr tank in there. I am maxed out to my payload, 1145kg, Things like plylining all put weight on, I have also insulated behind the plylining with cavity wall insulation. I would recommend also getting a bulkhead. Mainly for safety reasons. look at ioincs web site  to see what a let loose tank can do to you. The bulkhead also gives you a lot more quiter cabin, without the echo effect  you would normally get.

Enjoyy choseing, regards Nel.

[Morph]

Look at www.whatvan.co.uk/

Just click on vansearch on the left.  Then put in whatever van, it gives you all the spec.  Someone else recommended it on here some months ago.
I found it really helpful

Pj

[Moderator David@stives]

Neil

Nice set up

where is your system from .I like the hoses and reals where are they from.

Why the vikan brushes if you have invested a lot of money,Why did they not provide you with monofilament brush heads .

I am not knocking them i am just interested to know

Thanks

Dave

[neil100]

Dave,

The firm that did the van installation are Facelift in Derbyshire.What impressesd me is the way the tank is secured through the van floor. They have used special mouled clamps that fit round the chassis rails underneath the van. That tank is going no were. They are crash testing their tanks this year.

They supplied the hose reels which are fixed to the van floor. They dont leak and have special brass hose fittings which are ptfe screwed into the reel, no Hozelock type fittings.

On the right reel they supplied 1/2" hose. On the left its 100mtr microbore from gardiner, it is really a strong hose. Have not used the m/b hose much due to a faulty pump but the flow rate is only 1.7ltrs a min from the end of the hose as compared with 6ltrs a min for 1/2" hose.

I got the poles as part of the package deal, and I drove a hard bargin so I am pleased. The two mini poles are great. I'm new to wfp so I have not done a lot of research on brush heads. I have to say I dont rate the brush head and I have only been useing it three days.

I do have a 38' pole that as Facelifts own brush head which is a fantastic brush head, its 14" but is half the weight of a vikan brush head. I'm wanting to get some more poles, just waiting for Facelifts new pole system with its unique clamps which are fantasticly designed. I am thinking of changing the brush heads though.

Regards Nel.

[mick hay]

I will be changing my van when funds are available , got an escort van at mo. you lads with the transits, do you do a lot of domestic? i think they are perfect but was wondering if they would be a bit big for the domestic lot!!

[JM123]

Cheers guys - gonna have a look at a Fiat and a Seat this weekend, not gonna buy just yet - wouldn't mind going bigger but its the lack of yard space, plus the scary fuel costs of the bigger vans.