[neil100]

I have been practicing with my new wfp system.

I have noticed on the ground floor, that I am leaving Red bits of rubber from the Vikan brush head on the very edges of upvc frames. Its a real pain trying to scrape the red back off.

Is it because the brush is new?

Am I doing something wrong?

Please dont tell me that it will allways leave bits of red rubber.

I think the design of the brush is bad, haveing rounded ends of the brush instead of a nice right angle means it is really awkward to get in the corners of glass and frames.

Happy New Year and thanks in advance.

Nel.

[steve k]

never had this problem at all...in fact, I cannot see how the rubber is contacting the frame at all. The bristles should be the only point of contact with the glass. Also, it really does not matter about the shape of the Vikan head as the bristles easily reach and clean all parts of the glass.

[Chris Cottrell]

i have a newish vikan brush it also left red rubber marks when it was new a bit more brushing/rinsing and it came of but not any more so I guess its just a new thing

Stick wth it

[kingfisher]

Had the same problem lasted a few weeks then just stoped don`t no if the rubber has worn off or if I have got better at not knocking the frames with it

kev

[preston powerblast]

I have a new vikon brush only started using it today. Non of this, it perfect.

[Jeff Brimble]

I suppose you all know there are different shaped vikans ?

[preston powerblast]

Er, yes. But dont know what shape  or model we are talking about

[neil100]

picture at http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/shop.html

25cm with red rubber edgeing round the brush head.

Nel.

[pur]

Having same problem also with leaving red marks on ground floors window sills, don't know about first floor cant see up there. :

[Ben Walker]

different shaped vikans available here:
http://www.bradtech.ltd.uk/Vikan_system_1.asp

i however like the salmon brush, as used by Peter fogwill.

Ben

[Jeff Brimble]

Ben whats the advantage over Vikan ?

[mick hay]

I get it sometimes, its just when the rubber meets the frame, i just  use my finger to "roll" it off

[Ben Walker]

Ben whats the advantage over Vikan ?

The bristles on the salmon are 1. stiffer, 2. corrugated, 3. less dense than vikan. The brush is lighter

the sense i get is that the salmon's primary advantage is that the bristles being less dense will hold on to water less than the vikan, along with agitating the dirt on the glass better.

the vikan's bristles are dense and straight and so holds water like hair does, along with dirt amongts the bristles, not helped by the 'feathered' split ends. The feathered ends are made partly i think for not scratching vehicle paint work, as is their intended use, but glass is much harder than paint-work so is a bit redundant

the corrgated bristles on the salmon not only allow for the water to pass away, taking dirt with it, but on rubbing the glass are more effective on moving the dirt.

At 15'' its a good size, wide but not fat, so for its size it is also light, maybe the same weight as the vikan 10'' (with all its unecessary heavy rubber)

The vikan attaches at more of an angle to the pole than the salmon, meaning the use of the useful angle joint is not very practicle (though there is gooseneck instead i suppose)

who would of thought there was so much in a damn brush!! 
i think all in all its much better, but many use the vikan and are happy with it so...?. on already cleanish glass i don't think it'll make much difference, but perhaps salmon comes into its own on first cleans etc, and in keeping dirt free for the whole days work. (and non of this soaking the brush in bucket of pure water overnight nonesense!)

Ben

[Peter Fogwill]

Hi Ben, nice to see your comments on the Salmon brush, I have never got round to putting it into words myself.  I knew it was a better brush than the Vikan but to tell you the truth I never bothered to take so much note of why it was better.  I knew about the weight difference because of the narrower shape.  I also didn't like the splayed ends on the Vikan because of holding onto the dirt more.  I also remember trying the Unger high flow brush years ago and hated it for pure water cleaning, to me the Vikan brush is very similar.

I can't understand why some of my customers replace their Salmon with a Vikan brush, I can only think it is because they see others using them and think they must be better.  Same with a lot of things I suppose.

Peter Fogwill
www.window-tools.com