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Cliff perkins

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Leisure battery
« on: February 14, 2012, 04:11:02 pm »
How many days cleaning would i get out of a 100 power leisure battery doing around 8 houses a day,just bought a new battery and dont wanna charge it up every night if i dont have to,also how easy is it to fit a trickle charge or is there anybody in berkshire that can help me fit 1.
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Llaaww

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Re: Leisure battery
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2012, 04:31:37 pm »
if it is dirty it is fair game

Ian Sheppard

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Re: Leisure battery
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2012, 04:38:06 pm »
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Cliff perkins

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Re: Leisure battery
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2012, 04:52:21 pm »
Thanks llawww will get 1 of them  ;D
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matthewprice

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Re: Leisure battery
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2012, 06:52:24 pm »
i was wondering if this would be of use to me as i dont do that much milage. Does any one know how long you would need to keep the van running to charge the battery? thanks  :D

alanwilson

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Re: Leisure battery
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2012, 09:58:38 pm »
Not long at all, your van battery will be topped up in less than a minute so rest of time leisure battery is getting 30amp charge(max)

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Spruce

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Re: Leisure battery
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2012, 10:27:11 pm »
i was wondering if this would be of use to me as i dont do that much milage. Does any one know how long you would need to keep the van running to charge the battery? thanks  :D

On a thread that is linked to this, Ian Sheppard made the following observation:

"............ if you take 4-5 amps for 5-6 hours in a working day but spend only 2-3 hours driving (and charging via the split relay) you will not put back in, what you have taken out."

This is also what we have found in practice. In Ian's example, a fully charged perfectly performing leisure battery would have 24 amps removed from it if the pump drew a constant 4 amps for 6 hours. So if you have an 85 amp battery it would only have 61 amps left in the battery.

Now, if you could charge your leisure battery at 10 amps you would need to drive for 2 1/2 hours to recharge that battery.

However, the only thing these figures tell you is that you have to do a lot of mileage to forget about bench charging your leisure battery. Charging and discharging of leisure batteries have so many different variables, its actually becomes a very complex procedure.

My son in law has a Ford Transit Connect with a Numax 85 amp h battery which is a few months old. He has a Varistream and a Shurflo pump. I charge his battery every couple of days with a Numax 10 amp intelligent charger. On several occassions he has come back at the end of the day and I have put the charger onto his battery and the Numax guage says its half capacity. He then drives 9 miles home and returns the next morning, having driven 18 miles altogether. His battery now will show that its has a 75% charge on my Numax charger. But the other day the weather was too cold to work and so he drove home again and back a couple of days later. But his battery wasn't fully charged, because the charge a battery will accept gets less as the battery gets more fully charged. It also performs differently as the temperature changes.

We have had split charge relays on 4 vans so far and all needed supplementary charging every couple of days as we do minimal mileage per day. On my van I have a 15amp fuse between the van battery and the leisure battery and in 5 years this fuse has never blown, which means that even when the leisure battery was very flat on a couple of occassions, the battery never accepted a charge of more than 15 amps as the fuse would have blown if it did. In fact, I have never replaced a single inline fuse in any of the vans yet.

On one occassion when the battery was flat after we were half way through a job, we had to start the van's engine and let the alternator supply the current for both pumps so we could finish the job. As that battery was nearly four years old, I ordered a replacement on our way home that day. That day was when a split charge relay really paid for itself. If we didn't have one, we would have had to return to the job the following day with a new battery - for us that was a saving of half a day and a round trip of 25 miles.

That is why I will always recommend a split charge relay, even if you do a low mileage - its a great backup.

On  my son's van we have also incorporated a change over switch so his pump can draw from either the vans battery or the leisure battery. Although I bought another change over switch to adapt my van, I've never fitted it.

Spruce
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Ian Sheppard

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Re: Leisure battery
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2012, 02:35:31 pm »
i was wondering if this would be of use to me as i dont do that much milage. Does any one know how long you would need to keep the van running to charge the battery? thanks  :D

On a thread that is linked to this, Ian Sheppard made the following observation:

"............ if you take 4-5 amps for 5-6 hours in a working day but spend only 2-3 hours driving (and charging via the split relay) you will not put back in, what you have taken out."

This is also what we have found in practice. In Ian's example, a fully charged perfectly performing leisure battery would have 24 amps removed from it if the pump drew a constant 4 amps for 6 hours. So if you have an 85 amp battery it would only have 61 amps left in the battery.

Now, if you could charge your leisure battery at 10 amps you would need to drive for 2 1/2 hours to recharge that battery.

However, the only thing these figures tell you is that you have to do a lot of mileage to forget about bench charging your leisure battery. Charging and discharging of leisure batteries have so many different variables, its actually becomes a very complex procedure.

My son in law has a Ford Transit Connect with a Numax 85 amp h battery which is a few months old. He has a Varistream and a Shurflo pump. I charge his battery every couple of days with a Numax 10 amp intelligent charger. On several occassions he has come back at the end of the day and I have put the charger onto his battery and the Numax guage says its half capacity. He then drives 9 miles home and returns the next morning, having driven 18 miles altogether. His battery now will show that its has a 75% charge on my Numax charger. But the other day the weather was too cold to work and so he drove home again and back a couple of days later. But his battery wasn't fully charged, because the charge a battery will accept gets less as the battery gets more fully charged. It also performs differently as the temperature changes.

We have had split charge relays on 4 vans so far and all needed supplementary charging every couple of days as we do minimal mileage per day. On my van I have a 15amp fuse between the van battery and the leisure battery and in 5 years this fuse has never blown, which means that even when the leisure battery was very flat on a couple of occassions, the battery never accepted a charge of more than 15 amps as the fuse would have blown if it did. In fact, I have never replaced a single inline fuse in any of the vans yet.

On one occassion when the battery was flat after we were half way through a job, we had to start the van's engine and let the alternator supply the current for both pumps so we could finish the job. As that battery was nearly four years old, I ordered a replacement on our way home that day. That day was when a split charge relay really paid for itself. If we didn't have one, we would have had to return to the job the following day with a new battery - for us that was a saving of half a day and a round trip of 25 miles.

That is why I will always recommend a split charge relay, even if you do a low mileage - its a great backup.

On  my son's van we have also incorporated a change over switch so his pump can draw from either the vans battery or the leisure battery. Although I bought another change over switch to adapt my van, I've never fitted it.

Spruce


Nicely put Spruce this sums it all up nicely
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traps7

Re: Leisure battery
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2012, 06:42:16 pm »
I get what both Spruce and Ian are saying and run a split charge relay myself and bench charge evry week or two.

The bit I don't get is when you speak to some windys who run straight from the van battery, often with no controller, so pump flat out, and yet they've never had a problem in all the years they've been running it.

Weird.  ???

Spruce

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Re: Leisure battery New
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2012, 07:46:24 pm »
I get what both Spruce and Ian are saying and run a split charge relay myself and bench charge evry week or two.

The bit I don't get is when you speak to some windys who run straight from the van battery, often with no controller, so pump flat out, and yet they've never had a problem in all the years they've been running it.

Weird.  ???

Hi Traps,

I don't understand that either. I have tried it twice and a further time by accident and it hasn't worked for us.

As I mentioned earlier, my son has a change over switch that allows him to switch over to the van battery as a backup. Somehow the switch got changed over by mistake. After the second day I checked his Leisure battery and it was fully charged, but I didn't think anything more of it. I checked it again a couple of days later and again it was fully charged. I forgot to ask him if he had been putting the charger on it himself and the 5th day his van battery was flat and he bump started the van on a hill. That week he was working 5 miles away so the van battery had 10 miles charge every day and it wasn't enough.

We replaced his battery about a year ago and tried the same thing. His battery was flat within 4 days.

He has a Peugeot Partner van which is the same as Tim uses, and he runs his pump off his van battery with no problems. We both use pump controllers. I appreciate that a starter battery will accept a faster charge than a Leisure battery, but how come it works for him and not us? The alternator is the same size and the wiring is also the same. The only difference would be the battery and the amount of miles and/or time it takes him to drive to work and back home. It usually takes us 10 minutes max to get home - we very really encounter any traffic delays where we live. Maybe if he had taken half an hour to get to work and home every day idling in traffic then he may have been OK.

When my son in law joined us in October last year we opted to use his van battery rather than a leisure battery setup. I had to jump start his van twice and loaned him my jumper leads in case he needed them when we weren't close enough. Within 10 days of trying I ordered an 85 amph Numax leisure battery and fitted it through a split charge relay.

When I put pictures up of Sil's van I got several members advising to fit a second battery and split charge relay, so others have also experienced the same as we have experienced.

Spruce
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