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nicholas georgiou

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Advice on keeping my equipment from freezing
« on: February 07, 2012, 03:12:48 pm »
Hi i need some advice please, i have just moved in to a 3 floor flat and i cant get to a power supply.
Do you think if i put a calor gas heater in the back of the van on a low heat that would be ok ?

jasonl

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Re: Advice on keeping my equipment from freezing
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2012, 03:28:01 pm »
Each litre of gas burned , will produce 5 litres of water , so you need to vent the van . Also beware of fire hazards , also vent van before driving to lessen the carbon monoxide risk .

I would be investing in a cab heater arrangement.
I clean carpets
I dry Buildings

nicholas georgiou

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Re: Advice on keeping my equipment from freezing
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2012, 04:00:19 pm »
ok thanks for the advice

TomCrowther

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Re: Advice on keeping my equipment from freezing
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2012, 04:21:16 pm »
I have a drive so use an electric fan heater. However, three winters ago I was advised to get a parrafin greenhouse heater- Do Not go down that route! Nearly lost the van and kit.

Jim_77

Re: Advice on keeping my equipment from freezing
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2012, 05:25:32 pm »
Nicholas, get used to the following sound:

ka-DUNK ka-DUNK ka-DUNK....

The sound of a portable being dragged up 6 flights of stairs :)

Mike Halliday

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Re: Advice on keeping my equipment from freezing
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2012, 05:39:29 pm »
antifreeze ran through the system or fit an air valve and use a small compressor to blast air through to purge the system or all water
Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

Seymour Sunshine

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Re: Advice on keeping my equipment from freezing
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2012, 05:58:53 pm »
It rather depends on what you have in the back of the van. If it's a TM and a 500 litre water tank, you've got a big problem. If it's a portable and a few cans of chemical, the problem is rather smaller.

From your website, it looks like you use a portable.

What works for me is using 25 litre containers as hot water bottles and wrapping everything up with a bottle and a duvet. (Similar to what I do with my daughter on cold nights.)

Although I don't know how I'd feel about taking a 25 litre can full of warm water down six flights of stairs!
Banjo players are sent from heaven ... to make drummers look good.

garry22

Re: Advice on keeping my equipment from freezing
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2012, 06:20:06 pm »
Quote
use a small compressor to blast air through to purge the system or all water

Don'y forget the hoses and tools.

jasonl

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Re: Advice on keeping my equipment from freezing
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2012, 06:28:18 pm »
These are 4-500 fitted used , or up to 1000 new . I would move to somewhere suitable to run your business from!
I clean carpets
I dry Buildings

garry22

Re: Advice on keeping my equipment from freezing
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2012, 06:31:50 pm »
We've got -7 forecast tonight in the midlands.

nicholas georgiou

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Re: Advice on keeping my equipment from freezing
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2012, 07:03:16 pm »
Thank you all for you Advice i think i have the answer,  i have found a web sit that sales leisure batteres, got some advice and they can help me. The leisure batter can run a 3kw heater for about 7 hours i wiil let you know if it works.  :-\   

Mike Halliday

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Re: Advice on keeping my equipment from freezing
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2012, 07:26:29 pm »
7hrs on a 3kw heater ??? ???  it will be bigger than you extractor, will take all day to recharge and will cost more than extractor as well
Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

Re: Advice on keeping my equipment from freezing
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2012, 08:50:23 pm »
Thank you all for you Advice i think i have the answer,  i have found a web sit that sales leisure batteres, got some advice and they can help me. The leisure batter can run a 3kw heater for about 7 hours i wiil let you know if it works.  :-\   

Don't know who could possibly advise you that as a good idea.
3KW is about the same a domestic kettle or the element thta heats the hot water tank in your home. No way on this planet is there a 'battery' capable of running 3KW.

Your best option is as Jason said, an onboard cab heater system that runs off the vehicle fuel system.


Jim_77

Re: Advice on keeping my equipment from freezing
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2012, 09:22:20 pm »
Must be the one out of the first phone I had....

Re: Advice on keeping my equipment from freezing
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2012, 09:57:37 pm »
Found the right size battery for you!!!




And you're going to need 27 of them all joined together to get the 240v needed ;D

Glynn

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Re: Advice on keeping my equipment from freezing
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2012, 10:05:33 pm »
At 12 a volt 3 Kw heater is 3000 watts or 250 Amps per hour.
An average leisure battery is 100 Amp Hr, leisure batteries are discharged to about 50% of their capacity, so a 100 Ahr battery would supply only 50 usable amps. Go figure.
By the way a 55 watt bulb ( which is  only 4.5 amps ) would flatten it in 11 hours.
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Glynn

Seymour Sunshine

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Re: Advice on keeping my equipment from freezing New
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2012, 12:36:55 am »
At 12 a volt 3 Kw heater is 3000 watts or 250 Amps per hour.
An average leisure battery is 100 Amp Hr, leisure batteries are discharged to about 50% of their capacity, so a 100 Ahr battery would supply only 50 usable amps. Go figure.
By the way a 55 watt bulb ( which is  only 4.5 amps ) would flatten it in 11 hours.


The idea is right, but you're a little confused by the units.

You're right about a leisure battery storing about 100 Ah. That is actually the amount of charge that it stores. 1 Ah = 3600 ampere seconds = 3600 coulombs, (Coulomb = the SI unit of electrical charge). It's not a direct measurement of the amount of energy stored. But an approximation would be 4.3 MJ (megajoules).

(That's 12V x 100A x 3600s = 4 320 000 J)

(Amp hours are used as it's a simpler unit for most people to work with. So you can draw 1 A for 100 h or 5 A for 20 h etc. It's a rough and ready method, but it's good enough for non-techies.)

Energy is measured in kWh, kilowatt hours. 1 kWh = 3 600 000 Joules, (Joule = the SI unit of energy). You buy energy from the electricity company in kWh.

Power is the amount of energy delivered every second and is measured in kW = 1000 watts. 1 watt = 1 joule per second. When talking about heaters, it's the power that we're interested in as that tells us how much heat energy is delivered every second. As the watt is quite a small unit, we use kW.

Anything that delivers power is measured in kW or W. Both gas heaters and oil heaters and even wood burners are rated in kW and even your car/van engine. Smaller things like light bulbs and small electric motors are rated in watts. Tiny things like lasers are rated in mW.

(Interestingly, this is only useful when talking about heaters with very low-power electric motors. When talking about large electric motors we talk about kVA instead. But that's another story!)

There are relationships between voltage, current, charge, energy and power, but they are too complex to go into here, and we don't need to know them anyway.

There is, however, no such unit as amps per hour, and a 100Ah battery can supply as many amps as it likes depending on the external and internal resistance although a very high current draw for a long period will damage it.

But the long and the short of it is that you are absolutely correct: a leisure battery could never run a 3kW heater under any circumstances. Leisure batteries are designed to run your caravan TV and low-energy lights, shower pumps etc, not high-power heating circuits.

If you need to heat your van, it must be either using electricity from the mains or a generator or by burning some chemical energy.
Banjo players are sent from heaven ... to make drummers look good.

derikraven

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Re: Advice on keeping my equipment from freezing
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2012, 06:14:11 am »
I actualy built a box round my machines in the back of the van and insulated the box with 6inch expanded foam sheets from B & Q. we've had a couple of nights at minus 10 lately and the machines have been as snug as a bug.