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pro-windows

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Legal protection, covering my ROUND from INVADERS
« on: December 25, 2005, 05:33:43 pm »
I am thinking to start and set my own window cleaning business and I am looking for a decent round for sale…any advise will be helpful !

1.Is there any legal protection, covering my round from INVADERS (other window-cleaners)?

2.Do I get any legal documents stating my legal right of possession, control, ownership of the round, right to sell, etc?

Being an investment, I am concerned about the legal stuff, etc.

Thank you very much!

williamx

Re: Legal protection, covering my ROUND from INVADERS
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2005, 08:23:52 pm »
Welcome to the wonderful world of window cleaning and the best of luck with your venture.

Now you state that you want to start up by buying an window cleaning round, now this way forward can present some problems to you.

Firstly a window cleaner normally only sells the work that he has which is either underpriced or troublesome in some way, you might be alright if you were to purchase a round from someone who is retiring.

Now I would recommend that whatever round you do buy, you pay the price of it in instalments, so as to quarantee that the round will stay with you and not disappear.

As we live in a free trade world you will not be able to get protection to stop other window cleaners invading your area, you will get other window cleaners in your area the same as you will be going into other window cleaner areas over time.  The best way to keep your customers is the offer a 1st class service, to turn up when you are supposed to and to price the job correctly.

 
 

windolene

Re: Legal protection, covering my ROUND from INVADERS
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2005, 10:17:39 am »
Hi Pro Windows,

I  have not come across a policy that protects against window cleaning invaders. Ask the existing window cleaners in your start-up area to see if they have taken out the said policy.  ;D


Kevin Windolene.

Customers4u

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Re: Legal protection, covering my ROUND from INVADERS
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2005, 02:01:57 pm »
There are no such things as areas in any sector of business, except for franchising, which is where you may have some crossed wires.

I agree with what williamx put:

'The best way to keep your customers is the offer a 1st class service, to turn up when you are supposed to and to price the job correctly'

Fail to do that and you WILL lose customers

For All window cleaners out there either present or setting up, there are up to 5 million homes across the country not being cleaned right now all you need to do is find them through whatever means at your disposal!

Happy hunting in the new year!

Paul  ;D
Window cleaning rounds built to your exact requirements

pro-windows

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Re: Legal protection, covering my ROUND from INVADERS
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2005, 02:19:51 pm »
Thank you very much for answering my questions.

What is the optimum investment – profit quota? For instance, what’s the optimum price of a round, generating 1.000 /month profit? If I buy the round from another window-cleaner ?

By the way, I am from Bristol.

Thank you , one more time!

Customers4u

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Re: Legal protection, covering my ROUND from INVADERS
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2005, 05:22:20 pm »
Greatly depends on the round, what quality it is e.t.c.
Have known some rounds to sell at x5 the monthly income!

So £1,000 would cost you £5,000.

Doorknockers can build you a £1,000 round for £2,000.

Further details on http://www.doorknockers.4t.com

Paul  :)
Window cleaning rounds built to your exact requirements

matt

Re: Legal protection, covering my ROUND from INVADERS
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2005, 06:14:48 pm »
if you buy off another window cleaner, my thoughts are

1. he wants to sell

thus you are allmost in a better seat for negotations, thus i only pay 1 X the amount, i.e 1K of work for 1K in money

My advice if you do this is to work the round once with the guy, he will introduce you to the customers (well some of them) the people who are not in, drop on a leaflet explaining that you will be taking over, this allso means you get to see the tricks of the round and where the houses are:). you also get the advantage that you work half of the work, so he will take 500 quid off the bill

the other option is employing a canvasser, like doorknockers, who i have only heard good stuff about (ive not use them myself though), at 1 K of work for 2K its a slightly more expensive option, BUT they do a good job (and i have heard fellow WC'ers charging that same 2X the amount anyways)






Ian_Giles

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Re: Legal protection, covering my ROUND from INVADERS
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2005, 06:48:20 pm »
The thing with window cleaning is that all you are really buying is goodwill from an existing window cleaner selling his round.
It is worth whatever you are prepared to pay for it.
Unless you are buying a van and thousands of pounds worth of equipment, you have to be very sure of the value of the work you are purchasing.
What length of time has the round been established for? for one thing.

If you are buying a well established round, and it is a solid months worth of repeat work, what is the weekly turnover of business? And even more importantly, take a look at his past few years worth of accounts, the real bottom line is how much he is submitting to the tax man at the end of the year.
That is the piece of information that tells you the true worth of the business.
If they waffle on about the bits they don't submit then walk out the door, hot air is worthless, you are down to the 'how long is a piece of string' scenario.
If the business is strong then you will also see year on year growth too, plus regular increases in the price of the work done per account.

If you are starting from fresh then someone such as doorknockers may well be a good option, I don't know how they work, but I presume there is some kind of liason with regards price.

Don't kid yourself that window cleaning is the easy life...money for old rope, get some  experience first, if you are going to be working off a ladder then spend a day or two cleaning windows off one. Don't kid yourself that working off a ladder easy, I've had a scaffolder used to working 80ft up who couldn't hack working 12ft up ladder.
Don't just assume you'll be ok!!

Either go on a course or spend a day or two learning how to use a squeegee and all the rest of the equipment.
Lads that have worked for me in the past have taken several months to get up to a good speed and be able to do the work to a good standard, a lot just couldn't do it.

If whoever you may be buying a round off tells you it is worth....say, £120 a day, there ain't no way in hell you're going to turn over that kind of money straight away, it'll take you a few months to get up to speed.
If you are told you will earn that money within a week or two then don't believe them, it won't happen.

Apparently, the average across the board for window cleaners, taken over an entire year, is approximately 17k per year.

Very few will get close to...say, 50k (though I do know a couple who are up in that rarified stratosphere) and a great many will be on considerably less than 17k too, so go into it with your eyes open.

The benefits are good, you are your own boss, generally you'll be home by 4pm most days and won't start until gone 9am and if you want an afternoon off, then well, you take one. (you don't get paid for it of course ;))

Anyway, what the hell am I doing on here on Boxing day?

I need another beer :P

Ian
Ian. ISM CLEANING SERVICES

pro-windows

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Re: Legal protection, covering my ROUND from INVADERS
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2005, 04:15:25 pm »
Cheers mate!  Well, I’ve got some experience in window cleaning, I’ve worked occasionaly on a 35% commission, for a gaffer from Manchester! But no experience in window cleaning business, (books, prices, rounds, canvassing, etc) I’ve got a good speed, used to earn up to 150 quid a day, well, my commission was only 52. Still brilliant!

As I said, I’ve got some experience in this job, but not in this business. Now I consider starting my own business, and I want to be prepared for the real things, and the dark side of the moon…

I am just scared to invest 4000 quid in something volatile, as a round could be, disappearing or partially disappearing after 2-3 months, without even recovering my money…I’ve heard horror stories, and I needed some reassurance…

I find your replies very constructive and very helpful. Cheers !

batterbee

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Re: Legal protection, covering my ROUND from INVADERS
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2005, 04:49:37 pm »
Hi pro windows.

I started 7 years ago i also had the worry of buying a round without any experience in running a business or window cleaning.

I knew the person i was buying the round but also knew he wasn't that regular either so i made him introduce me to every customer  making sure they were happy with the change etc.

This went down very well as customers don't like being messed around but if you let them know what's going on they seem to except change more easily.

I also wouldn't pay all money up front try and arrange a monthly plan that you can easily stick so that way you don't have to worry to much about paying so much especially if you do have a bad month( bad weather etc)

I started out with around £350 of work per month so was a big gamble as i gave up a well paying job.

The gamble has payed off and my round is worth over £4000  ;D

I think if you are a hard worker and know you can give it a good go then take the gamble as i don't know anyone who window cleans and doesn't earn a good wage.

Hope this helps john.
JB CLEANING SERVICES, NORWICH, NORFOLK.

Re: Legal protection, covering my ROUND from INVADERS
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2005, 04:52:19 pm »
There's also another route to getting business apart from buying a round.

Leaflets and canvassing takes time and effort; and you can choose your customers and areas to a certain extent.  It doesn't cost a penny either (apart from some photocopying costs).

Do a search on this site for canvassing and leaflets; there's a wealth of information here coving those topics.

I've never bought any work; but wouldn't rule it out.

However, if I were to sell any work; it would be the stuff I didn't like (underpriced/bad customers/difficult area/etc).  So be carefull.