[wynne jones]

This commercial carpet in a club has shrunk across the width by 2-3mm. It's stuck to the underlay which is stuck to the floor but obviously not well enough.

Will it need lifting and relaying or can it be stretch back?

[Phillip Mold]

I presume you have (just) cleaned it?

How?

What kind of carpet is it?

Did you check first? If not why not?

[wynne jones]

I poured gallons of water on it and closed all the windows.

Any fitters/cleaners with a view? 

[Phillip Mold]

So what kind of carpet was it?

[AshWhite]

I poured gallons of water on it and closed all the windows.

Any fitters/cleaners with a view? 

I'd suggest a training course mate

















 

[wynne jones]

I'm trying to get a pic up Phil and see who recognises it.  

I'm still having trouble with the new upload images, have they reduced the filesize since before?

[wynne jones]

I poured gallons of water on it and closed all the windows.

Any fitters/cleaners with a view? 

I'd suggest a training course mate


 

When I bought my Rug Doctor they said I didn't need one.

[expro]

Is this a leg pull?

Expro

[peter maybury]

a lot of commercial carpets are fitted using the dura-stick system where the underlay is stuck to the floor thaen the carpet is stuck to the underlay. It is nowhere near as secure ans fitting the carpet on gripper ans the underlay does not have the dimensional stability to stop the carpet from schrinking in the same way that gripper does. If a carpet schrinks when on this system it is dificult to rectify as the underlay will have to be scrapped from the floo and separated from the carpet. This cannot be done without destroying the underlay. With woven carpets (luxury wool contract, not poly prop wiltons) if they are cleaned reguarly there is less of a problem with schrinkage most problems arise when carpets are left for a long period between cleans. Customers have this insane idea that they are saving themselve money by not having them cleaned reguarly but in truth the stress that an infrequent clean puts on the seams and the carpets reduces the life considerably. With luxury commercial carpets it is rarely that they are replaced because they are thredbare but because the seams have gone.
I have customers with woven carpets that are 15 or 20 years old but the seams will last bcause they have them cleaned several time a year.
This is one situation where using a low moisture system could be benficial (providing the level of soil is not too high.

Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.com

[Hilton]

I think its a wind up, for what purpose only he will know.

In answer to the scenario, its only a very small amount of shrinkage so two options;

Either fit gripper and re-stretch on to it , the underlay might need to be replaced.

Or over heat the room, it may well go back to its original state, gripper would be the prefered option though and you could probably do it yourself .

One thing to bear in mind, there may have have been a reason for using this system of fitting other than its quicker and more cost effective, check the flooring for pipes running under the floor and around the edges before attempting to fit gripper with screws or nails.If there are pipes you will have to stick the gripper down.

Still think its a wind up though 

[wynne jones]

No it's not a wind up honest. What peter says make sense. This was a grotty woven  polycarpet which for cheapness was stuck down. Went back today and the sectionhad relaxed back. My thinking was I won't get the backing wet anyway lol my question was about stretching underlay stuck down which Peter has answered.

[peter maybury]

Pepole do not use this system because of underfloor pipes etc, if this was the case they would simply stick the gripper down.
It is a system that is widely used and is prudent to be aware of. Massive areas in hotels are fitted this way.

Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.com

[peter maybury]

It is not just a case of fit gripper and maybe dispose of the underlay. Doing a refit with this type of instalation is a mamoth task and far bigger that the original fitting job. It is one thing to do an uplift to dispose of the carpet it is quite another to separate the carpet from the underlay in order to refit the carpets. The underlay may need replacing well you will be ripping it to pieces doing the uplift so it is quite likely.
I have done several but am an experienced fitter. Taking something on like this should not be taken lightly and is certainly going to be a nasty experince if you do not understand what is involved.

Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.com

[Hilton]

Likewise done a few myself, never had a problem.

[kerrpmiddleton]

think you will find the carpet will go back after its dryed out , even with low moister cleaning ,what ive found in the pass is they go out of shape or the seams come up  but after a settle back down , i always warn customer before hand to execpet this , first time it happened to me i poope my self , it was my own golf club ,and the sec at the time was a right prick, wanted to get me to get intouch with my insurance co, told him give it week ,and well see how they are, couple days later, where like new