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Poll

which is in your opinion the top kiddie hot wfp system

ionics
concept2o
diy
our diffrent if so which

shammy davis jnr

  • Posts: 543
whats hot and whats not
« on: February 01, 2012, 10:25:55 am »
time to scrape a few pennies together for a new van mount needs to be hot water  system but which one do u preffer and why

steven ainger

  • Posts: 1953
Re: whats hot and whats not
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2012, 02:17:40 pm »
Ive voted diy,
Because its cheap and does the same job

idealrob

  • Posts: 666
Re: whats hot and whats not
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2012, 02:54:28 pm »
Ive voted diy,
Because its cheap and does the same job

And dont forget it will kill you if involved in a major accident, but lets not forget its cheaper, and not  legal, but whats life matter if you save a few hundred quid

idealrob

steven ainger

  • Posts: 1953
Re: whats hot and whats not
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2012, 03:14:11 pm »
Whys it not legal,
Every burger van, caravan etc carry lpg cylinders,
Why arent they going to die.
And its a few thousand saving ??

AuRavelling79

  • Posts: 25404
Re: whats hot and whats not
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2012, 03:17:24 pm »
Ive voted diy,
Because its cheap and does the same job

And dont forget it will kill you if involved in a major accident, but lets not forget its cheaper, and not  legal, but whats life matter if you save a few hundred quid

idealrob

And the "Sweeping Generalisation" award goes to ...

IDEALROB!


Yay!
It's a game of three halves!

idealrob

  • Posts: 666
Re: whats hot and whats not
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2012, 05:12:05 pm »
In answer to the DIY system, was on about an unsecured tank being the main danger, as well as most lpg tanks and not informing insurance companies, so policy null & void, so could cost thousands more, and we moan about window cleaners undercutting, but most do the same with supplies

idealrob

Re: whats hot and whats not
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2012, 06:43:56 pm »
In answer to the DIY system, was on about an unsecured tank being the main danger, as well as most lpg tanks and not informing insurance companies, so policy null & void, so could cost thousands more, and we moan about window cleaners undercutting, but most do the same with supplies

idealrob

Yawn.....  

♠Winp®oClean♠

  • Posts: 4085
Re: whats hot and whats not
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2012, 06:48:38 pm »
I've no experience with hot but purefreedom seem to be highly rated & very competitive on price.


keyser soze

  • Posts: 1694
Re: whats hot and whats not
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2012, 07:04:44 pm »
Ive voted diy,
Because its cheap and does the same job

And dont forget it will kill you if involved in a major accident, but lets not forget its cheaper, and not  legal, but whats life matter if you save a few hundred quid

idealrob
why is it not legal .

keyser soze

  • Posts: 1694
Re: whats hot and whats not
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2012, 07:13:10 pm »
i looked at the pure freedom . and its a good system but i knew it was something i could do easy enough which i did ive had no probs and it works well and i saved a lot of dough. i cant understand why anyone would pay all that money on a system when basically its just a bunch of connectors . hey everyone to their own . i paid for mine in weeks on a return . but buying a system its gonna take a lot longer i suppose the real entrepreneurs are the ones who can get up and running and make a profit the quickest .

Dave Willis

Re: whats hot and whats not
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2012, 07:29:42 pm »
If I could afford it then Pure Freedom hot for me. Thing is it's diesel and can be plumbed into the van tank if you wished. No gas cylinders to change and proper box and mounting.
I have the Fogwash which is far cheaper and looks it. It does the job but can be a bit temperamental, needs a gas cylinder change every couple of weeks, really needs a flue. Plus insurance might be a problem.
Pure Freedom is a 500 mile round trip plus at least a days wages lost travelling for me. Fogwash is less than £300 Pure Freedom probably well over £3000 just for the heater and fitting.

Big difference in price just for hot water.

idealrob

  • Posts: 666
Re: whats hot and whats not
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2012, 09:07:20 pm »
Ive voted diy,
Because its cheap and does the same job

And dont forget it will kill you if involved in a major accident, but lets not forget its cheaper, and not  legal, but whats life matter if you save a few hundred quid

idealrob
why is it not legal .

Its not legal if the insurance company have not been informed of a modification, and unsecured load, and if it hits you at speed in a crash, and you then you do survive, whats stopping you from causing further damage to yourselves, or more importantly other road users, is this enough

idealrob

keyser soze

  • Posts: 1694
Re: whats hot and whats not
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2012, 09:55:12 pm »
Ive voted diy,
Because its cheap and does the same job

And dont forget it will kill you if involved in a major accident, but lets not forget its cheaper, and not  legal, but whats life matter if you save a few hundred quid

idealrob
why is it not legal .

Its not legal if the insurance company have not been informed of a modification, and unsecured load, and if it hits you at speed in a crash, and you then you do survive, whats stopping you from causing further damage to yourselves, or more importantly other road users, is this enough

idealrob
not really because do you need some sort of exclusive qualifacation to bolt a tank to the sub frame. i thi
nk not as for informing the insurance company about modifacations to the van well thats only a phone call. just because pure freedom bolts it to the sub frame doesnt mean they are more qualified to do this than a mechanic or body shop. my tank is fully framed and bolted by a pro and i still paid less than 1400 for the set up compared to pure freedom 3000 or 6500 for a heated system those guys make a lot of money for old rope.

Re: whats hot and whats not
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2012, 10:12:13 pm »
How is it a modification of the van when most DIY users are simply transporting equipment from one site to another?

Window Washers

  • Posts: 9036
Re: whats hot and whats not
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2012, 10:17:03 pm »
How is it a modification of the van when most DIY users are simply transporting equipment from one site to another?
::) really ?
If your not willing to learn, No one can help you, If you are determined to learn, No one can stop you ;)

Re: whats hot and whats not
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2012, 10:19:42 pm »
How is it a modification of the van when most DIY users are simply transporting equipment from one site to another?
::) really ?

By definition it will be a collection of equipment put together to perform a task rather than modifying the van itself.  ???

Window Washers

  • Posts: 9036
Re: whats hot and whats not
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2012, 10:26:32 pm »
How is it a modification of the van when most DIY users are simply transporting equipment from one site to another?
::) really ?

By definition it will be a collection of equipment put together to perform a task rather than modifying the van itself.  ???
By definition you are securing a tank to a van that will not only modify the handling of it you are also fixing it in place.

Do you honestly think insurance compaines are stupid ?

More so you you think they would pay you out if you have an acciedent ?

Do you think your argument would stand up if you hurt/killed someone ?

this is just my opinion but I think you would be deep in the brown stuff.
If your not willing to learn, No one can help you, If you are determined to learn, No one can stop you ;)

idealrob

  • Posts: 666
Re: whats hot and whats not
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2012, 10:30:54 pm »
How is it a modification of the van when most DIY users are simply transporting equipment from one site to another?
::) really ?

By definition it will be a collection of equipment put together to perform a task rather than modifying the van itself.  ???
By definition you are securing a tank to a van that will not only modify the handling of it you are also fixing it in place.

Do you honestly think insurance compaines are stupid ?

More so you you think they would pay you out if you have an acciedent ?

Do you think your argument would stand up if you hurt/killed someone ?

this is just my opinion but I think you would be deep in the brown stuff.

Totally agree, and i know what i am happy with an ionic crash tested system, and Alexander swan policy, that they know whats professionally fitted, and peace of mind for me or more son to drive, and yes it cost a few hundred pounds more, but as i said above, whats the price on life & peace of mind and blood guilt for me or my son

idealrob

Re: whats hot and whats not
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2012, 10:31:43 pm »
How is it a modification of the van when most DIY users are simply transporting equipment from one site to another?
::) really ?

By definition it will be a collection of equipment put together to perform a task rather than modifying the van itself.  ???
By definition you are securing a tank to a van that will not only modify the handling of it you are also fixing it in place.

Do you honestly think insurance compaines are stupid ?

More so you you think they would pay you out if you have an acciedent ?

Do you think your argument would stand up if you hurt/killed someone ?

this is just my opinion but I think you would be deep in the brown stuff.

Do you know of any cases where they have failed to pay, for example, when a DIY window cleaning van has caused damage with them blaming the equipment carried?

Humour me, I like statistics.

idealrob

  • Posts: 666
Re: whats hot and whats not
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2012, 10:42:26 pm »
Know cases when someone has fitted a inew cd/stereo and the car was stolen, and insurance refused to pay as the car stereo was more desirable, never mind the insurance stats, Do you value your life Sunshine Stuart  ? You have a VW van which is high on safety

here is a link http://www.window-tools.com/windows/water-fed-poles/van-insurance-for-hot-water/?action=printpage


idealrob