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Paul Coleman

Re: what do most sole operators try and achieve daily
« Reply #120 on: December 15, 2011, 06:02:23 pm »
what about the nice little tax bill. you simply cannot earn that on your own,with private custys only.
UNLESS. many jobs close together and near home , no breaks, short intervals between cleans,
4wks, not cleaning frames, and then to top it off, over pricing. 
maybe the odd day , but every day?

 

Regarding tax.  Although it is very unlikely for a sole trader to manage it, if my income ever looked like shooting through the roof, I would keep a very close eye on the profit level towards the end of the accounting year.  I just wouldn't fancy working my nuts off and edging into the next tax bracket.  I would rather have a couple of weeks break than do that.  A bit different though if it would be staff doing it as it isn't the same effort on my part.

Gordon Saunders

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Re: what do most sole operators try and achieve daily
« Reply #121 on: December 15, 2011, 07:44:04 pm »
 i try to achieve as much as possible daily without compromising my standards or my health

 What that equates to financially is my own business.  ;)

andrewlefkas

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Re: what do most sole operators try and achieve daily
« Reply #122 on: December 17, 2011, 10:40:38 pm »
Been WFP for just over a year but trad for many years before that just outside Leeds, if I did 130 in  a day thats very good for me ,Im very organised, very few  breaks and dont hang about ,properties vary from one bed bungalow at 4-50 to detached with connie at 12 quid . Im reasonably happy with hourly rate -well I am until I see what some of you guys are pulling !! Usually start just after 9 and home at 3 in winter . Bit hesitant to put these figures on here as they are so low , anyway there it is  :-[

Pope vader

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Re: what do most sole operators try and achieve daily
« Reply #123 on: December 17, 2011, 10:43:35 pm »
andrew dont list to half the amounts on here,  some are making that much money that one bad week they skint

richywilts

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Re: what do most sole operators try and achieve daily
« Reply #124 on: December 17, 2011, 10:46:31 pm »
Been WFP for just over a year but trad for many years before that just outside Leeds, if I did 130 in  a day thats very good for me ,Im very organised, very few  breaks and dont hang about ,properties vary from one bed bungalow at 4-50 to detached with connie at 12 quid . Im reasonably happy with hourly rate -well I am until I see what some of you guys are pulling !! Usually start just after 9 and home at 3 in winter . Bit hesitant to put these figures on here as they are so low , anyway there it is  :-[

id personally say increase ur prices but u have had to convert a trad round over to wfp and i guess kept same prices
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rosskesava

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Re: what do most sole operators try and achieve daily
« Reply #125 on: December 17, 2011, 11:02:28 pm »
Been WFP for just over a year but trad for many years before that just outside Leeds, if I did 130 in  a day thats very good for me ,Im very organised, very few  breaks and dont hang about ,properties vary from one bed bungalow at 4-50 to detached with connie at 12 quid . Im reasonably happy with hourly rate -well I am until I see what some of you guys are pulling !! Usually start just after 9 and home at 3 in winter . Bit hesitant to put these figures on here as they are so low , anyway there it is  :-[

I wouldn't worry to much. I would take take with a pinch of salt most of what gets posted on here about earnings per day.

I think we need a new section of this forum called 'porkie pies'.
Just chant..... Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare, Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. It's beats chanting Tory Tory or Labour Labour.

andrewlefkas

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Re: what do most sole operators try and achieve daily
« Reply #126 on: December 17, 2011, 11:16:45 pm »
I did keep prices pretty much same but am going to put them up in new year . I had lots of tips and bottles of wine so Im hoping they wont mind paying a bit more for the service I provide . Been window cleaning for a long time but not full time as I can manage well on what I can make as mortgage very small with no debts -  .
I v no problem with folk making a good living for working hard , I just seem to be working hard for not so much .
Im happy with 99% of my customers and they are okay with me and often tell me they like the WFP system better than Trad -and why wouldnt they . Still do some bungalows Trad at a fiver a go but they take me 10 mins as long as I fend of cups of tea and buns otherwise it would take me all day.Guess Im just a soft touch ! :)

rosskesava

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Re: what do most sole operators try and achieve daily
« Reply #127 on: December 18, 2011, 12:27:42 am »
Same here. Too much chat and plenty of tea. We're social creatures afterall.

I've done the work thing till you drop thing and gone from one high speed job to the next and the next untill the end of the day, and for me, I enjoy the more sedate pace and when all is said and done, I have enough to more than meet my needs and health wise, I'll never go back to those days of getting home in a state of near exhaustion only to go out again the next day and do it all over again.
Just chant..... Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare, Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. It's beats chanting Tory Tory or Labour Labour.

KS Cleaning

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Re: what do most sole operators try and achieve daily
« Reply #128 on: December 18, 2011, 01:15:26 am »
Been WFP for just over a year but trad for many years before that just outside Leeds, if I did 130 in  a day thats very good for me ,Im very organised, very few  breaks and dont hang about ,properties vary from one bed bungalow at 4-50 to detached with connie at 12 quid . Im reasonably happy with hourly rate -well I am until I see what some of you guys are pulling !! Usually start just after 9 and home at 3 in winter . Bit hesitant to put these figures on here as they are so low , anyway there it is  :-[

id personally say increase ur prices but u have had to convert a trad round over to wfp and i guess kept same prices
I'd personally say, keep your prices as they are(ok a small increase here n there),you are giving your customers 'value for money' which is quite refreshing and nothing to be embarrassed about.

alanwilson

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Re: what do most sole operators try and achieve daily
« Reply #129 on: December 18, 2011, 02:47:58 am »
realistically you want to have a minimum price (ours is £10), you say £130 a day is very good for you, 9am to 3pm (6hrs) so thats £25/hr or so.  Thats not bad, if you were to do an extra hour a day thats approx £150 a day - £750 a week (work saturday if there's a bad day in the week.

There aren't many on here ACTUALLY earning that in my opinion.
I've never been to bed with an ugly bird but I've woken up with loads!

Richard iSparkle

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Re: what do most sole operators try and achieve daily
« Reply #130 on: December 18, 2011, 09:57:18 am »
I did keep prices pretty much same but am going to put them up in new year . I had lots of tips and bottles of wine so Im hoping they wont mind paying a bit more for the service I provide . Been window cleaning for a long time but not full time as I can manage well on what I can make as mortgage very small with no debts -  .
I v no problem with folk making a good living for working hard , I just seem to be working hard for not so much .
Im happy with 99% of my customers and they are okay with me and often tell me they like the WFP system better than Trad -and why wouldnt they . Still do some bungalows Trad at a fiver a go but they take me 10 mins as long as I fend of cups of tea and buns otherwise it would take me all day.Guess Im just a soft touch ! :)

hi andrew, we start on the glass at 8 and i;m finishing just after 4 most days. that gives you an extra 2 hrs earnings each day, which is 10 hrs a week, so it'd be like an extra day and a half's work each week for you.  obviusll this is more work for you and you have to decide if thats what you want...  :P

the other thing is llike another poster said we have a minimum price of £10 and this is the same for a bungalow as for a house.  you obviously cant jump your prices from £5 - £10 as youll just get dumped  :o, but best to start doing an annual price rise of 10%, or even jump straight to £6 in jan blaming the fuel etc etc.
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Dave Willis

Re: what do most sole operators try and achieve daily
« Reply #131 on: December 18, 2011, 10:15:42 am »
'we' thought you worked alone?

Dave Willis

Re: what do most sole operators try and achieve daily
« Reply #132 on: December 18, 2011, 10:23:39 am »
The bit I don't understand is why all the billyballpoopers on here with fantastic earnings are always the guys who don't have enough work. If you can turn over £350 in one day regularly as you claim then why not take your foot off the pedal and spread it out over the week? also if £350 is your normal turnover as you claim - what are you earning on one of your 'cracking' days like we all have. How the hell can you be up to your eyeballs in debt too with figures like you are spouting? Why did you have no insurance - couldn't afford it?
Just makes no sense I'm afraid. Maybe your behind with your payments to Concept20 so a bit of advertising on their behalf will lesson the blow, either way.
For those reasons I'm out  ;D

PURER CLEAN

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Re: what do most sole operators try and achieve daily
« Reply #133 on: December 18, 2011, 10:38:53 am »
If i could go out monday to friday every week, i would like to earn about £120/£140 per day  8)
but im not even close to be able to do that   :-[ Any way that would be in a perfect world, but this is far from that. If some guys on here say they earn £350 a day ( im not saying you dont) What do you do when it rains for say 3/4 days at a time?
The way i look at it is, whats the point of having loads of work when you cant cover it ie: rainy days, ill, holidays. ect ect
All well and good saying my business does 95k a year, but that surely would just be on paper??
im not looking for a row with anyone, just asking how it looked at & done by them   :)

gary999

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Re: what do most sole operators try and achieve daily
« Reply #134 on: December 18, 2011, 10:45:55 am »
Been WFP for just over a year but trad for many years before that just outside Leeds, if I did 130 in  a day thats very good for me ,Im very organised, very few  breaks and dont hang about ,properties vary from one bed bungalow at 4-50 to detached with connie at 12 quid . Im reasonably happy with hourly rate -well I am until I see what some of you guys are pulling !! Usually start just after 9 and home at 3 in winter . Bit hesitant to put these figures on here as they are so low , anyway there it is  :-[

this is why all these kind of posts are pointless

if you are happy what you are earning mate,dont let others
on here drag you down.

i personally have the odd day when i hit the £200 mark
but normally between £100-£150 and i have plenty of days
when i havent hit £100 for various reasons,weather,too lazy to
be bothered etc.

just remember mate some on here may be peeing higher than
you...but i have definately got a bigger thingy ;D ;D ;D

Pope vader

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Re: what do most sole operators try and achieve daily
« Reply #135 on: December 18, 2011, 10:52:12 am »
wasnt there a lad on here a few years ago, who claimed to be making thousands a week and had a few vans on the road,  and some one went to his house and he live with his mum and drove a escort van

♠Winp®oClean♠

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Re: what do most sole operators try and achieve daily
« Reply #136 on: December 18, 2011, 10:55:11 am »
Been WFP for just over a year but trad for many years before that just outside Leeds, if I did 130 in  a day thats very good for me ,Im very organised, very few  breaks and dont hang about ,properties vary from one bed bungalow at 4-50 to detached with connie at 12 quid . Im reasonably happy with hourly rate -well I am until I see what some of you guys are pulling !! Usually start just after 9 and home at 3 in winter . Bit hesitant to put these figures on here as they are so low , anyway there it is  :-[

this is why all these kind of posts are pointless

if you are happy what you are earning mate,dont let others
on here drag you down.

i personally have the odd day when i hit the £200 mark
but normally between £100-£150 and i have plenty of days
when i havent hit £100 for various reasons,weather,too lazy to
be bothered etc.

just remember mate some on here may be peeing higher than
you...but i have definately got a bigger thingy ;D ;D ;D

Nice balancing post. ;)

Where else would you get £130 a day for a 6 hour shift?

Also (& I'm not throwing accusations here) some of these splash/dash top earners might have a huge cancellation rate- after all, how some run their business on here contains all the elements for this to be a reality!

It's not all about top dollar, far from it. ;)

♠Winp®oClean♠

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Re: what do most sole operators try and achieve daily
« Reply #137 on: December 18, 2011, 10:56:39 am »
wasnt there a lad on here a few years ago, who claimed to be making thousands a week and had a few vans on the road,  and some one went to his house and he live with his mum and drove a escort van

Only one lad! :o

It's full of 'em Vader!! ;D ;D

Re: what do most sole operators try and achieve daily
« Reply #138 on: December 18, 2011, 11:02:50 am »
Why people always look at the daily figures makes me smile, on some jobs if you price it up right and with easy access its possible to go over the £1000 barrier, I have many times, but there are the other days when you are at home looking out of the window at the 10 foot snow drifts or thunder and lightning storms, these days you earn .00.

I would rather look at the monthly figures.

Richard iSparkle

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Re: what do most sole operators try and achieve daily
« Reply #139 on: December 18, 2011, 11:03:38 am »
The bit I don't understand is why all the billyballpoopers on here with fantastic earnings are always the guys who don't have enough work. If you can turn over £350 in one day regularly as you claim then why not take your foot off the pedal and spread it out over the week? also if £350 is your normal turnover as you claim - what are you earning on one of your 'cracking' days like we all have. How the hell can you be up to your eyeballs in debt too with figures like you are spouting? Why did you have no insurance - couldn't afford it?
Just makes no sense I'm afraid. Maybe your behind with your payments to Concept20 so a bit of advertising on their behalf will lesson the blow, either way.
For those reasons I'm out  ;D

hi mark,

I;m just answering questions that people are asking.

i have 2 businesses and have different goals from some other poeple.  i;m not makjing a value judgement to say that my goals are right and yours are wrong.  you may well be right and you may well be happier with your business set up and earnings.  that's not for me to judge.   however the initial question was what do other people earn in a day.  richy wilts has a big goal in mind possibly more similar to my own.

i aways talk of my business as 'we' becuase there are a number of staff involved, although like i said, presently i am the only WC working.

we dont have great days really as we schedule all work in advance and give every client a due date for every clean, 4 weeks after their most recent.  we aim to get the max out of each day and the max for one WC is £350.

like i said previously, i dont have ongoing payments to Concept 2O.  

how can i be up to my eyes in debt?  well the figures i;m talking about arent that great compared to other businesses, tho they may well be exceptional for lots of WC.  its all comparitive isn't it.  if i'm, to pluck a figure £50 000 in debt, then £350 turnover (not profit) a day isn;t so huge.  also, i havent said we earn that every day as my rounds are not full and i work a couple of half days a week.

 :)
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