[billozz]

hey guys,
hope you dont mind but we are thinking of going over to wfp and have a few questions for guys who are using them or have used them.
we do mainly domestic, with a few commercial calls and a few schools as well.
we are edging towards a trolley system because of the versatility of them but have also heard that a backpack is available,
1.can anyone advise on the number of houses that you could do with a backpack or drum from a trolley,for that matter.

2.is there a maximum length of hose that you can use on a trolley system? we have to get over garage rooves occassionally and are wondering if trlloey would reach.

3.what do you do in weather conditions like the ones recently i.e. freezing, surely the water from the wfp would freeze and be a hazard.
int it marvellous i had loads but thses are all i can think of for now ...im sure there will be more
thanks in advance
Bill Osborne

[Roy Harding]

Hi Bill

Many on the site have built there own trollys and some very good ones to.

But one of the best trollys is Andrews it has it all, have a look.

http://www.freedomwfp.co.uk/

Also look at mats diy site.

Roy

[Andrew McCann]

Hi Bill.

Thanks for the compliment Roy


Your work sounds very much like mine Bill.. mainly domestic with some commercial.

You wont have problems with the garage roofs. I go over quite a few without problems.  Depending on your pump you should be able to work up to about 100 metres away. We fit a 100 pSI one to the Freedom trolley so that you can work at distance and also use any length of pole.

As to number of houses I can do 2 to 3 "average" semis per 25 ltr container.

As to the freezing weather its pretty much the same as trad. If its freezing I dont work. I do carry some rock salt to put down "just in case"  say if its towards the end of the day and its getting real cold.

I guess whats most important is that I now work far safer and around 40% faster on average.

I had the trolley made for me to use and didnt intend to market it. I used it for 3 months and found it such an asset that I decided to offer it to other window cleaners. The rest is history

Cheers

Andrew

[Grafters Cleaning Services]

1.can anyone advise on the number of houses that you could do with a backpack or drum from a trolley,for that matter.

2.is there a maximum length of hose that you can use on a trolley system? we have to get over garage rooves occassionally and are wondering if trlloey would reach.

3.what do you do in weather conditions like the ones recently i.e. freezing, surely the water from the wfp would freeze and be a hazard.
int it marvellous i had loads but thses are all i can think of for now ...im sure there will be more
thanks in advance
Bill Osborne

1 get a good sureflow pump and you could use a 100mtr hose
2 make a trolley system that you can run a long hose from and you will be able to run it from your van rather than lift the trolley in and out all day
3 carry some salt tp lay down on icy page that you have made

[Alex Gardiner]

I would give yourself the option of a trolley like andrews but also a vehicle mount as well, because you will find that you more often than not can leave the trolley in the car.

Alex

[Andrew McCann]

Hi Alex

I don't want to sound patronising but I have just had a good look around your site. I am very impressed with it. The information you give is very down to earth. I particularly like the way you specify advantages and disadvantages of poles etc. Your explanation of water purification is also impressive and easy to understand.

Cheers

Andrew

[JM123]

Like anything else, each type of system has pros and cons - trolleys are really good for hard to access areas where a van or trailer might not reach as easily but then a 650 ltr van/trailer system will run all day without stopping if you have the work all close together plus no lifting heavy barrels of water (yes I am a weakling!!) not trying to send you one way or the other but consider the pros and cons of everything

[matt]

Hi Bill

Many on the site have built there own trollys and some very good ones to.



http://www.freedomwfp.co.uk/

Also look at mats diy site.

Roy

Matts DIY site address is

http://www.d.co.uk

where it is now easy enough to build your own system for the price of about 500 quid

the DIY route uses THE SAME pump, brush head, RO SYSTEM (pure water) and the same pole in many cases

dont be oversold and have some company take 500 PLUS quid extra off you, build your own

[Andrew McCann]

I can assure all here that the customers who have ordered 14 Freedom Trolley Systems so far this week have in no way been oversold. I do believe that they are capable of making rational and informed decisions regarding their businesses.

Some have even seen it being used by our customers and phoned to order one with no input at all from myself or anyone associated with the Freedom Trolley.

Regards

Andrew

[windows_chepstow]

If you want to dip your toe into the WFP water without spending £1000 upwards go for the Shurflo back back and purchase separately the RO/DI unit, pole and water barrels.

It won't be wasted.  Make sure you peruse Matt's DIY site before purchasing anything.

Even if you upgrade to a 1000 litre van system two weeks later, there'll still be occassions when the back pack will come in handy; I'm sure.  It won't be wasted money.  I know one guy who has purchased Andrew's trolley system and a back pack, because of it's light-weight versitilty.  It's easy to half-fill it and lift it over walls and fences, and really quick to just 'grab and go' to carry it up a load of steps or over extremely rough ground.

This week I've done what would've been five hard-days ladder work in three-and-a-half days.  Wor Lass and I only worked for three hours yesturday and still made a good days earnings.

What-ever WFP system you purchase; I'm sure you'll like it.  Make sure you read the back-posts on WFP techniques; or even better find someone who will show you. 

Remember to educate your customers (I think this is the key) and don't be frightened of losing business.

I've not lost one account yet; but might have one or two customers who think I'm I'm being too fast and looking too lazy.  Stuff 'em.  I still check my work regularly, and from what I see; it's of an extremely high standard.  So much so that on subsequent WFP cleans, they really don't look like they need cleaning.

I've heard it said here that WFP is not a 'magic wand'.

But use it correctly and it really is.

[neil100]

Why is it in this country we slag people off for doing something that is succsefull.

I am full of admiriation for somebody like Andrew who as designed a fantastic piece of kit in the freedom trolley, He as made it avaliable to other w/c for a price, I dont know how much exactly because I dont have one. Only seen his web site, But the guy gets my respect.  

I find it hypoctrical to slag him off, I think most w/c on this site are self employed, You've got off your backsides and worked hard, built your own rounds up and if you have done it correctly you should be making a very very good living out of it.

I'm going wfp myself, and I will be lucky to have change out of 4 Grand. O yes I could of done it a lot cheaper. I know that. I could of done it myself, everything. But I have chosen a company to fit my tank set up for me and build me a static Ro system on a stainless steel stand.

Nobody as pulled the wool over my eyes. If i were to choose going to work in £250 escort car, Or a  £20,000  volvo estate, IT would be my choice, both cars can do the job and if I can afford it, why not. You cant take your money with you.

Give guys like Andy some RESPECT.

nEL.

[matt]

I can assure all here that the customers who have ordered 14 Freedom Trolley Systems so far this week have in no way been oversold. I do believe that they are capable of making rational and informed decisions regarding their businesses.

did i mention you 

if you read other threads that i have commented on your system, i have only said its a good system

[Andrew McCann]

Thanks Nel  

Glad to hear that you are sorted with your system now. I know you have researched it thoroughly and I am sure it will suit your needs very well. You wont look back mate!!  

It's no secret around here that we sell the trolley for £575 including VAT and UK mainland delivery. The whole "system" is £995. Yes we make a profit. As a business we HAVE to.

My ideal set up would be.. a van mount tank powered by the freedom trolley
 ( detach it and use it standalone when needed ) and a backpack for the few that I have to travel a long way around the back.. over gates etc. In fact I am in the process of setting up just such a system hopefully to be on the road early next year. I am intending to go hard for some decent commercial work so thats where the tank mount will come into it's own.

I personally have no problem at all with anyone building their own system. Thats their choice. In fact I have directed a few people who are really struggling financially to get into WFP towards  Matts site. I went into WFP for one reason alone...SAFETY. OK I had the Freedom trolley made for me and then decided to market it. Sinner that I am   Its been a runaway success and I am happy about that and thats all the reward I need.

Cheers

Andrew

[matt]

Why is it in this country we slag people off for doing something that is succsefull.



Give guys like Andy some RESPECT.

nEL.

first off, i guess this was aimed at me, did i mention andy ?? ?? ?? -- he has lowered the entry price of WFP "off the shelf" by about 500 quid, this can only be a good thing, afterall wasnt the entry level before this 1500 quid

secondly, RESPECT has to be EARNED, not given away

[Andrew McCann]

I can assure all here that the customers who have ordered 14 Freedom Trolley Systems so far this week have in no way been oversold. I do believe that they are capable of making rational and informed decisions regarding their businesses.

did i mention you 




if you read other threads that i have commented on your system, i have only said its a good system

Matt.. no you didn't but as a reputable supplier I felt it important that I made it perfectly clear that we will NEVER knowingly oversell.

Thank you for your kind words about our system

Andrew

[matt]

I can assure all here that the customers who have ordered 14 Freedom Trolley Systems so far this week have in no way been oversold. I do believe that they are capable of making rational and informed decisions regarding their businesses.

did i mention you 




if you read other threads that i have commented on your system, i have only said its a good system

Matt.. no you didn't but as a reputable supplier I felt it important that I made it perfectly clear that we will NEVER knowingly oversell.

Thank you for your kind words about our system

Andrew

BUT Andrew

picture this, would you be overselling people if you added a slightly bigger RO (worth 75 quid more) and added 500 quid to the price ?? ??

would this be oversell ?? ??

[Andrew McCann]

Matt.

This is my final word on this topic. It has drifted way off course and isn't really helping Bill as it should.

I know what our policy is and that we are a reputable supplier. I am sure most here will understand that I cannot comment on this. It must involve some 3rd party who probably isnt aware of the existence of this question. What I will say is that it is anyone's choice how to run their own business. I concentrate on running mine ethically and profitably. This includes my window cleaning and the freedom trolley businesses and leave others to run theirs as they see fit.


Andrew

[billozz]

very grateful for all your replies guys will be taking all that has been said on board when making my decision about the system i want...but i know there will be more questions...i also know that this site will probably have the answers.
thanks again
Bill