[Colin Day]

why oh why does everybody think a tm costs a fortune to buy and run . 

The one I want (Brand New with 2 years warranty) is £17k....

I think £17k's  a fortune and not to be parted with, willy nilly....

[Richard Basey-Fisher]

why oh why does everybody think a tm costs a fortune to buy and run . 

The one I want (Brand New with 2 years warranty) is £17k....

I think £17k's  a fortune and not to be parted with, willy nilly....

yes buts thats new colin

[Colin Day]

I wouldn't want second a hand TM though, there's always an element of risk taking of someone else's problems on. I CBA'd with that....

And I'll want a dual operator machine as I'll probably take someone on, but it's early days yet....

[jasonl]

A decent tm with the hoses , van all setup vat etc is 20k   over 4 years until it is worth 2 k, this   means that with financing costs it is £100 a week every week , which means £300 a week in EXTRA  turnover would be needed to stay the same for me .

For others this would be different.


Top of the range porty set up would be 5 k , worth 1k after 4 years

Top of the range rotary system 2k , worth 500 after 4 years. 


After 20 years , 3 marriages 2 houses bought , paid for and given away , 3 kids brought up , dozens of foreign holidays , flash cars and a nice lifestyle , ill stick with the rotary for now.

 Once the shop is built and paid for and if I had another windfall  then I would get another TM , but would not rely on it for the bulk of my income.

[Mike Halliday]

[quote a ;)uthor=jasonl link=topic=143393.msg1187533#msg1187533 date=1325333527]
A decent tm with the hoses , van all setup vat etc is 20k   over 4 years until it is worth 2 k,   [/quote]

if anyone has a £20k T/M thats 4 years old and they will sell it for £2k please call me straight away!!!!!

or perhaps Jasons figure are just waffle to help sell the point he is trying to make

[jasonl]

OK £8k AFTER 4 YEARS , I dont think everyone realises depreciation is one of the biggest costs in TM ownership .

Yes they are good machines , but for profit , LM all the way.

[Mike Halliday]

any figures can be manipulated to make a point.

 if i offered everyone who wants one a truck mount and thery only need to pay me a £1.50p for every hour they use it who would say no? because a £10k truckmount  will last 7.5k hours so the initial investment in a T/M is only £1.50p an hour.

 of course this is waffle but to is just as applicable to mention the lifetime cost of buying a truckmount as it is to  bring   depreciation into the discussion

[Tony Gill Carpet Smart]

Colin 2nd Hand for me every time It's only like buying a car.
Jason are you on another planet don't know where you get your figures from.

Cheers Tony

[Jim_77]

Plant/machinery depreciation is commonly written down at 25% per annum

On that basis, over 4 years, £20k would depreciate to £6,328.13

[Doug Holloway]

Hi guys

TM's do cost a lot more to buy and run but they make you a lot more money.

It all depends on where you want to be in the market.

LM can be a fantastic earner, the only times I have done four figures in a day has been LM. Unfortunately it's not as good on domestic and a lot more messing around.

Happy new year

Doug

[wynne jones]

OK £8k AFTER 4 YEARS , I dont think everyone realises depreciation is one of the biggest costs in TM ownership .

Yes they are good machines , but for profit , LM all the way.

I think everyone has a different idea about money being well spent.

For instance Jason didn't you buy a new Range Rover (which I doubt created ANY income for you) only to lose tens of thousands on it when you sold it? You obviously thought it was worth it to you. You could have bought a Skoda, it would do the same job and cost the same as you lost in depreciation on your Chelsea tractor. 

[Neil Williams]

I wouldn't want second a hand TM though, there's always an element of risk taking of someone else's problems on. I CBA'd with that....

If anyones got or knows of  a 2nd hand TM for sale then I'd be interested, afterall 16 years as a mechanic has it's plus points with machinery.

[Colin Day]

Colin 2nd Hand for me every time It's only like buying a car.
Jason are you on another planet don't know where you get your figures from.

Cheers Tony

I know what you're saying, but I wouldn't trust a TMer not to sell me a lemon....

[jasonl]

OK £8k AFTER 4 YEARS , I dont think everyone realises depreciation is one of the biggest costs in TM ownership .

Yes they are good machines , but for profit , LM all the way.

I think everyone has a different idea about money being well spent.

For instance Jason didn't you buy a new Range Rover (which I doubt created ANY income for you) only to lose tens of thousands on it when you sold it? You obviously thought it was worth it to you. You could have bought a Skoda, it would do the same job and cost the same as you lost in depreciation on your Chelsea tractor. 

Funny you should say that , as I now drive a 15k Skoda Yeti !

[derek west]

OK £8k AFTER 4 YEARS , I dont think everyone realises depreciation is one of the biggest costs in TM ownership .

Yes they are good machines , but for profit , LM all the way.

I think everyone has a different idea about money being well spent.

For instance Jason didn't you buy a new Range Rover (which I doubt created ANY income for you) only to lose tens of thousands on it when you sold it? You obviously thought it was worth it to you. You could have bought a Skoda, it would do the same job and cost the same as you lost in depreciation on your Chelsea tractor. 

Funny you should say that , as I now drive a 15k Skoda Yeti !

15k eh! thats quite high mileage for a skoda, 

[wynne jones]

Never thought I'd say this but I think Skoda make cracking cars. The shape of the Yeti probably makes it ideal as a back up vehicle if you needed to.

Happy New Year.

[jasonl]

It  is nowhere near as good as the RR sport , but the build quality is up to the VW Audi group standard .

I would rather have a decent car than a TM though .

[graeme marchbank]

TM one pass clean, simples

My system cost new (everything including van) £40k

Bought second hand after 4 years with 1,200hrs for £15K

Still running perfectly after 8 years of service (2200hrs) and could sell easily for £5k

Some will say, It hardly gets used.... this is true, as a typical day due to it's top notch efficiency, it only run's for an hour or two, doing 2 or 3 jobs a day and uses £3 something per hour on diesel.

I also have to use LM, Porty ect...but my TM pulls rank on these methods every-time!!

I agree with Jim and Mike and I too have trouble understanding Ian's posts, surely the name of the game is to say," yes I can do that for you" (the customer) and charge enough to make a good profit out of each job regardless of how you do it.


Graeme

[Shaun_Ashmore]

I would rather have a decent car than a TM though . 
 
 
 

Shaun

PS does that Skoda have a big footprint?

[Paul Heath]

"I would rather have a decent car than a TM though"
I would like to see a skoda clean a lounge carpet as good as a TM..