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mike roberts

Re: TM v portable
« Reply #140 on: December 29, 2011, 09:58:31 am »
My prices wouldn't change if I had a TM. Surely you'd be getting more money per hour as you would be working that much more efficiently....

For example, I did a job yesterday that took me just over and hour and a half. Half an hour it took me before I was pre-spraying. There was no suitable tap for the Zeta so it meant bucket filling.

I can see the potential benefits of a TM as I charged £80 for the job. So using the porty earned me £53 per hour where as the TM would have easily earned me £80 per hour... I just need a decent volume of work and I'd be ready for the TM ;).


This is all going around and around in circles. ;D ;D

You would of charged the same, carried out the work quicker .. But your running costs are far more!!  ;D ;D  If we invested in TM we would have to increase costs no q.

Re: TM v portable
« Reply #141 on: December 29, 2011, 10:17:35 am »
we invested in LM from porty and we increased our prices, and we have less running costs ( well none actually  ;D )

Colin Day

Re: TM v portable
« Reply #142 on: December 29, 2011, 10:24:17 am »
Try LM..............

NO buckets
NO messing with this ere water stuff
Quick cleaning
Quick drying

NO contest

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You'd have thought Richard B Fisher would use LM being an ex farmer and all that. He's got good experience of muck spreading.... ;D ;D ;D

Re: TM v portable
« Reply #143 on: December 29, 2011, 10:30:32 am »
 ;D ;D

wynne jones

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Re: TM v portable
« Reply #144 on: December 29, 2011, 11:22:16 am »
we invested in LM from porty and we increased our prices, and we have less running costs ( well none actually  ;D )

Well Hector, just wondering how you would get on with some of the mingers I have to do. Do you turn some work away that's just too bad for LM?
It's not expensive, you just can't afford it.

Re: TM v portable
« Reply #145 on: December 29, 2011, 12:26:14 pm »
I have had to turn 2 jobs down in the last 12 months...

However I do some real mingers with LM and the customers are always happy when I leave.

will_turton

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Re: TM v portable
« Reply #146 on: December 29, 2011, 01:28:28 pm »
 what this topic about????

Colin Day

Re: TM v portable
« Reply #147 on: December 29, 2011, 05:29:42 pm »
what this topic about????

Monkey Tennis... Stay with the programme will you!














 ;D ;D ;D

Re: TM v portable
« Reply #148 on: December 29, 2011, 05:35:31 pm »
 ;D ;D

wynne jones

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Re: TM v portable
« Reply #149 on: December 29, 2011, 05:41:54 pm »
Billy has an alert set up for the word 'minger'  ;D

Hector, I turn down about 10 jobs a year, usually encrusted Mr Whippy style dog turds that have been there some time. 
It's not expensive, you just can't afford it.

Re: TM v portable
« Reply #150 on: December 29, 2011, 06:40:02 pm »
There is a very very expensive house in Winchester in the expensive part of Winchester that we had to walk away from....

Staircase that would look about right on the QE2 (no problem) at the top a landing and hall that if I looked through binoculars I may have seen the other end, however it stunk to high heaven..


"oh this is dog $h1t alley" said the owner, "we let the boys play here as though it was outside, sort it out will you?"

We did leave that one

Would not have done it with a porty either.....

However TM?? nah not a chance  :P
 ;D ;D

Richard Basey-Fisher

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Re: TM v portable
« Reply #151 on: December 29, 2011, 06:58:52 pm »
Try LM..............

NO buckets
NO messing with this ere water stuff
Quick cleaning
Quick drying

NO contest

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You'd have thought Richard B Fisher would use LM being an ex farmer and all that. He's got good experience of muck spreading.... ;D ;D ;D


i have all methods at my disposal.     

wynne jones

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Re: TM v portable
« Reply #152 on: December 29, 2011, 07:46:40 pm »
There is a very very expensive house in Winchester in the expensive part of Winchester that we had to walk away from....

Staircase that would look about right on the QE2 (no problem) at the top a landing and hall that if I looked through binoculars I may have seen the other end, however it stunk to high heaven..


"oh this is dog $h1t alley" said the owner, "we let the boys play here as though it was outside, sort it out will you?"

We did leave that one

Would not have done it with a porty either.....

However TM?? nah not a chance  :P
 ;D ;D

When someone says 'sort it out will you' I hear that cash register sound in my head £££KERCHING!£££

It's not expensive, you just can't afford it.

Re: TM v portable
« Reply #153 on: December 29, 2011, 07:57:59 pm »
It was really horrible Wynne

no way with a rotary though


PaulKing

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Re: TM v portable
« Reply #154 on: December 29, 2011, 08:31:19 pm »
I think the only way is to have several systems at your disposal, we need LM for some rugs that have ridiculously loose dye, also portables are handy for some jobs as well, at least once or twice a quarter we do get one of those jobs where it's portable only, but sorry lads a TM not a lifestyle, marketing gimmick or even a massive cost if you have the use or need for one , it's just a big HWE machine.


www.revitaclean.com  established 1968 in Newcastle Upon Tyne

PaulKing

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Re: TM v portable
« Reply #155 on: December 29, 2011, 08:32:15 pm »
Now can we discuss something easier like middle east peace
www.revitaclean.com  established 1968 in Newcastle Upon Tyne

Jim_77

Re: TM v portable
« Reply #156 on: December 29, 2011, 10:57:27 pm »
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If the TM business model works then why do TM Owners have to add other services?

I certainly don't consider anything I do to be "added" because it is an inclusive part of the range of services I provide to keep my customers' floors & soft furnishings in good condition.

The smart businessman recognises that his customers have more than just carpets & upholstery to clean and make money out of.

Some of us ENJOY doing things other than carpets & upholstery all day long.  There's a lot more skill and knowledge involved in taking your service portfolio up to higher levels.

Imagine leaving the house at 9am to do a carpet clean for £90, then another one for £120, then one more for £70, then home for 2pm with £280 racked up for the day.

Now imagine if you cleaned some leather, rugs, tile & grout or curtains at the same time for a couple of those customers.  Home a couple of hours later but without ANY additional travel expenses and probably with 50% or even 100% more money in the bank. No brainer really.

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your prices are high and are keeping the market small.

Bullsh*t.  Firstly, and I probably speak for the majority of TM owners here, my prices aren't any higher with a TM than with a portable.  Secondly, the "market" is not being kept small by anyone's high prices, just as much as it won't be expanded (usefully) by anyone's low prices.  This is the sort of industry where we CREATE our market by provoking interest and using our skills to sell the services at the prices we feel comfortable working at, whichever end of the scale that might be.  Which ties in with the next point...

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I agree that prospects like the idea of TM cleans but most put cost first.

I don't even sell the TM when quoting, barely even mention it except for access reasons.  Most customers don't put cost first, they put themselves first, more specifically what they WANT which is a good job doing.  If they're reassured they're getting a great job they pay the price.  All down to sales skill.

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If any carpet thinks that adding a TM will give them more work they are wrong. Just look at TM owners and how many other services they provide and you have the proof that it will not. if they where busy just cleaning carpets thay would not have the time to provide these services or would have other staff, which most don't.

Firstly I think the majority of TM owners DO mainly concentrate on carpet & upholstery.  But more to the point, I don't think anyone has speculated on buying a TM because they are stupid enough to believe it will somehow create more work.

People buy a TM for one of 3 reasons in my opinion:

1) Their workload has got so high with a porty they can not cope, and do not want to employ anyone

2) They wish to reduce their working hours on carpet & upholstery to either improve their lifestyle or allow more time in their day for OTHER INCOME STREAMS

3) They just have to have "big boys toys" and don't really need a TM but just WANT one (in which case more fool them, but these type are in the minority)

I think you'll find more TM owners employ people than you think.  In fact I can think of 10 or so off the top of my head just from recent posts on the TM forums

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if you want a bigger market in the UK them cheap TM cleans are the way this will happen

Again, complete bullsh*t.  Cheap groupon (or similar) cleans are the only real possibility of dragging any noticeable volume of new customers into the carpet cleaning market, who wouldn't otherwise use carpet cleaning services...... but do we really want this type of customer?  They wouldn't be a normal customer in a normal market anyway so send them back to B&Q for another hire of a rug doctor.  Real businessmen aren't interested in them

Cheap TM cleans are the same as cheap porty cleans so why bother?  You're still flogging your ar*e off for slave wages.

Surely you're smart enough to figure out that you make much more profit by spending more time in fewer customers' houses, doing bigger jobs per visit.... which means...... a wider range of services!!!!!

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The big issue is that most Tm owners feel that its all a dig at them its not.

I don't feel you're having a dig at TM owners.  I feel sorry for you because you're misguided and foolish.  I've never read one word of sense in anything you've ever posted on any forums.

Aside from making up lies to pass off as marketing, all you do is concentrate on price price price as if you think that's what customers only ever think about

If you aimed yourself in the right direction, at the right customers, you might see the light.  If you want to scrabble around with the cheapo monkeys competing at cut throat prices for the worst customers in your locality that's up to you, in fact carry on that way because it leaves a little more room for someone with their head screwed on to make a living in your area :)


Andrew Briscoe

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Re: TM v portable
« Reply #158 on: December 29, 2011, 11:12:23 pm »
Great post Jim, sometimes i dont read long winded posts, but read all and agree with all

Andrew

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: TM v portable
« Reply #159 on: December 29, 2011, 11:14:48 pm »
Last time I read that much it was a book by Tolstoy.

Shaun