[Jonny jones]

hi guys

go on give it your best shot, 

got a cleaner that is doing quite a phew sites for me, the problem is he has been caught missing one site daily and has been doing the rest fine,

this site is the only one that we cant monitor as there is no staff there and is basically a public toilet in the wilderness,

i have caught him, he hasnt told me he hasnt been doing, and he hasnt done it since monday up to now cos i did yesterday and today hoping that he would come there so i can have a chat with him without taking it further.

but thinking about it more im thinking has he done this before? and not been caught before or is this his first time?

what has ped me off is he has been doing the others and this job im talking about is he passess this to do other jobses.

should i ask him for his timesheet and let him hang with his own rope or should i takle it and hope he doesnt do it again,
as it states in our handbook, it is a grossmisconduct thing to do and is subject to instant dismissal

come on guys help me out here no funny ones please

thanx jonny

[Kev Martin]

Discuss it with him!

If he lies get rid!

If he comes clean and is generally a good employee with no other problems give him a warning!

Kev Martin
Marble Life Ltd

[The Great One]

Hi

Sit down with him and have a general chat about how he's finding the work etc and then mention the toilet in question, there may be a certain reason why he is missing that particular one (does it get visited for sexual purposes) was he beaten up there, etc

If he is a good employee then better I feel to try and find out why it is that one and not any of the others and then you can both find away around the issue and you keep a good employee.

Martin

[Jonny jones]

hi martin

thanx for that, but i hate people lying to me, its not a hard job, its in a secluded area, no one visits there, i know where your coming from but i know its none of them, i think he is just trying to pull a fast one and hes been caught out

thanx jonny

[Scotbrite]

Hi Jonny,
I would agree with Kevin on this one. But get his timesheet first & see if he is "implying" he has done it, then direct question !!, if answer doesn't fit then get rid (fraud) but you have evidence of it. Hope this helps,
Cheers,
Ron

[Jonny jones]

ok

confronted this guy on monday, he is adamant that he was doing it but my proof says otherwise

im sure he is trying a quicky im chcking up on him again friday.

we shall see

thanx jonny

[The Great One]

Hi

Go there and leave something (leaf, fluff, piece of paper) and then go back and see if it's been cleaned up, put it in a corner where is can't be disturbed.

Martin

[Scotbrite]

Ha Ha.  Martin you sound just like me. Sneaky b*****d  ,  but hey, you gotta do what you gotta do. Not the first or the last time i will do something similar,
Cheers,
Ron

[mike roberts]

ok

confronted this guy on monday, he is adamant that he was doing it but my proof says otherwise

im sure he is trying a quicky im chcking up on him again friday.

we shall see

thanx jonny

lost me i thought you said originally you did it so how has he got away with it ??

No point going friday if you have just confronted him, he will obviously be cleaning it now in the short term!

The problem you now have is that you have lost your trust in your employee + he has argued his case with yourself and somehow apparently won...

Why not fix a chart in the problem toilet which he has to sign daily including time this way you can check in future!? We had similar prob in past this resolved it.

[BVC]

Had the contract cleaning at UGC Cinema in Swindon.  I caught the supervisor red handed doing the job in 30 mins a day. The budget was 6 hours   Confronted her with about £200 worth of pick and mix in her arms and sacked her on the spot

She ran off with the keys called the police and accused me of assault. I was arrested and spent the day in the cells. She got legal aid and took me to court for GBH and unfair dismissal.

She dropped all the charges the morning of the court case six months later and I got a bill from my solicitor for £3k. 

Dont want to be ott but just a warning of how sour thing can go when you deal with liars and cheats.

IMO Get rid of your man but be a bit clever about it.

BVC.

[cml]

Hi,  a few things need to be considered here.

If after speaking to him he claims he has attended during the periods of your visits then he would be lying and if according to your terms and conditions this conforms to gross misconduct then you may want to terminate immediately.  But if he produces valid reasons and admits not attending and his intentions were to inform you then you might have to tread carefully before considering any forms of dismissal.  Again a lot depends on your terms of employment with your employee.

You are now aware of this problem and may need to devise your own company method of monitoring this site even if it means weekly company visits to monitor this site.  This should not be limited to this employee at this site but any future employees working there.  You may need to consider LONE WORKING POLICIES especially if this site is in the wilderness and safety and security is raised as an issue.  i.e. team working, calling in and out whilst on site etc.,

The issue needs to be discussed and address using an appropriate form.   Just hoping to catch him in a lie will not solve any problems if there are any at that site.

I hope this helps