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AshWhite

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Commercial Carpet Tiles
« on: September 18, 2011, 09:55:18 pm »
Hi all,

Just did a clean of my mothers Post Office, quite heavily worn carpet tiles with substantial amounts of chewing gum, and serious traffic lanes.

I pre sprayed with Ultrapac, at a strong dilution (twice the label amount), and mixed in Citraboost for an extra bit of kick.  I tried treating the gum with Citraclean concentrate at a 1:1 dilution after perforating (it arrived yesterday, and just wanted to try it out).

I then used a slow speed rotary to agitate, using a carpet shampoo brush.

Dwell time was about 20 mins before wanding started (TM @ 400psi, very hot water), and before I began I misted over with a slightly weaker mixture of Ultrapac as it had dried considerably.

After wanding, I ran over the worst parts with a microfibre bonnet on the rotary.

I've attached a before & after pic, but I wasn't particularly pleased with the result. Do I put it down to wear, or is there something I could've done differently? What results would you have expected?

I look forward to your feedback.

Ash
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Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: Commercial Carpet Tiles
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2011, 10:32:07 pm »
Wear IMO imagine how their working day will be moving around that counter area fetching and carrying rubber bands etc, carpet tiles are man made fibres and will have been 'scratched' by work wear shoes scraping the colour from the fibres and embedding soil into the naked filament where it has been scraped by workers out door shoes, they don't wear carpet slippers like Mrs.Goggings!

Shaun

AshWhite

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Re: Commercial Carpet Tiles
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2011, 10:36:24 pm »
It's actually the customer side of the counter, so even more so - It's a main Post Office which is particularly busy on Giro day!

I'm putting it down to wear, just would have been nice to get a good result.

Appreciate the feedback.

Ash
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Brendan (chem2clean)

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Re: Commercial Carpet Tiles
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2011, 10:38:18 pm »
wear is wear,,,

Jim_77

Re: Commercial Carpet Tiles
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2011, 12:47:15 am »
Ash, that carpet looked knackered mate.  I would have got it cleaner though :D

But seriously, I can't tell whether it's just the lighting in the photo or what, difficult to judge without seeing it in real life.  But it doesn't look great :-\

One thing you need to check... those citrus additives, do they contain anything like d'limonene or anything sounding like propylene glycol ether?  (the safety data sheets will tell you)  If so for god's sake don't use them any more on carpet tiles!

When I was very inexperienced, cleaning carpet tiles, I once thought I'd boost my pre-spray with one of these citrus additives.  What happened was the whole carpet kind of ended up a slightly brown colour, especially in the traffic lanes where I pre-sprayed more heavily and extracted more.  I thought it was just that the carpet didn't clean up very well, but I reckon with hindsight that I had loosened a little bit of the bitumen backing and pulled it up with the extraction.

I also spotted with the same product, and wondered why the spots were turning into treacle-brown patches that were getting worse the more I cleaned them!!  My boss at the time had to replace the tiles I spot-cleaned..  Obviously they hadn't educated me properly on this pitfall!!!


Simon Gerrard

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Re: Commercial Carpet Tiles
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2011, 09:08:22 am »
Ash,
Don't take any notice of these picky buggers, that's a good job mate, the best you can do in the circumstances, which is all you can do, especially in a post office.

Simon

sherco

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Re: Commercial Carpet Tiles
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2011, 09:56:57 am »
Looks good to me mate. Just on thing, adding twice the amount of ultrapac as per label rate wont get you carpet twice as clean!! You are just wasting it stick to the label instructions for best results.
I pre sprayed with Ultrapac, at a strong dilution (twice the label amount)
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Jamie Pearson

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Re: Commercial Carpet Tiles
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2011, 11:44:19 am »
Using your method there is 2 things I would do differently.

1. I would use Oxibrite as the booster rather than CitraBoost
2. I would have agitated with the microfibre bonnet (or a white nylon pad)

Sometimes a visit when dry to LM clean using a product with an oxidiser added can bring it up that little bit more that you are looking for.

AshWhite

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Re: Commercial Carpet Tiles
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2011, 12:32:47 pm »
Appreciate all the input.

Jim,
I'm aware of the issue with solvents on bitumen backed carpets, but not citrus products?

Dave,
Do you think an encap product would make a difference after a thorough HWE? Although saying that, I did still pick up some soil on the pad on the microfibre pad after the extraction so perhaps you're right.

Simon,
I love the new you, cheers mate  ;D

Sherco,
I always find the ultrapac dilution on the label is a bit weak (50ml per litre) for heavy soiling, I do find a stroger dilution gives better results (up to a certain point), but maybe it's a mental thing!

Jamie,
I always thought that oxibrite was only for lighter coloured carpets? I haven't really given it much of a go previously though. Also, why do you say to agitate with the microfibre instead of the brush? I thought the brush would be a bit harder on the soil?

Again, thanks to all of you.

Ash
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Billy Russell

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Re: Commercial Carpet Tiles
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2011, 12:41:34 pm »
Simon,
I love the new you, cheers mate  ;D


Don't get to excitied Ash, you aint got on the wrong side of him yet!!!! he'll be at you like a rabid dog!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D

Jim_77

Re: Commercial Carpet Tiles
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2011, 12:55:35 pm »
Ash, it's not "solvents" as such, after all water is a solvent, but certain products in particular.  Hence why I said check the ingredients, the ones I mentioned are a no-no on bitumen backed tiles.

Drying the carpet off and then bonneting with any decent product will no doubt make your pads look a bit dirty.... whether it would make the carpet look any different is another matter.  in the past it has worked for me, but also has not... you don't know unless you give it a go!  I always bonnet carpet tiles after HWE, and make sure the price accounts for it because it does add a considerable amount of time on to the job.

Your dilution of 1:20 is strong enough!  Did you apply it hot?  Your agitation sounds very good - I find a stiffer polyprop brush a lot better on carpet tiles though, for lifting the pile if nothing else (although if it's too flattened like your job seems, you can do nothing for it)

The oxidiser may well have helped, it's perfectly suited to polyprop of any style/colour ;)

See if you can borrow an RX-20 off someone local, you might find it gets a bit better job done than the wand on some of these jobs.  I presume you could just go back and haveanother crack at this whenever you want?  Next time, try powerburst with an oxidiser mixed in to it, same procedure as before and if you can borrow an RX put that over it.

As Simon says, don't beat yourself up.  When faced with carpet tiles as knackered as those ones look you will never make them look anything like what we as carpet cleaners would call nice.. .you can just hope to get the biggest before/after difference possible, which is quite often the solution to a client's problem in the commercial sector.

Just a case of trial and error and keep adjusting things until you find a way that works for you :)

Jamie Pearson

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Re: Commercial Carpet Tiles
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2011, 12:56:07 pm »
Microfibres or white nylon pads will work almost like an eraser on bad traffic lanes.

I dont find they absorb particularly well compared to striped bonnets.

Brushes just dont have enough contact imo.
Think how many fibres there are on a brush compared to the other 2.

Trust me. I am a Dr of carpet maintenance.

Jamie Pearson

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Re: Commercial Carpet Tiles
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2011, 12:56:39 pm »
Oxibriet & Ultrapac is a great combination on yellowed tiles.

Len Gribble

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Re: Commercial Carpet Tiles
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2011, 06:11:26 pm »
Good job Ash

Did one without the TM and yes Ultrapac on the edges customer very happy

forget to add ant been cleaned in 17years
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garybristow

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Re: Commercial Carpet Tiles
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2011, 08:35:07 pm »
Ask to take away the worst tile and experiment
would powerburst not do the trick?
in the dry cleaning world we used to say a good spotter knows when to stop,perhaps they are as good as they get
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AshWhite

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Re: Commercial Carpet Tiles
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2011, 08:38:02 pm »
I tried powerburst when I cleaned them about 3 months ago, got similar results to be honest. I really don't think they can be improved a massive amount unfortunately, but I think it will make a good testing ground going forward :)
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diamond

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Re: Commercial Carpet Tiles
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2011, 10:28:23 pm »
As Jamie has said I reckon using a white or worn moist red pad would defo have got more out of it.
You can feel the friction when operating the rotary but the difference between this method and the brush is quite substantial.
Alastair