[Matt Gibson]

I have been asked if I have a pigeon dropping removal license from a tender I have gone for. Where would one look to get such a license?

Cheers,

Matt

[BDCS]

Waste carriers licence but its the waste code thats a pain here as you can only drop 8 tonnes - skips the best way £240 and say the guano is a small proportion of general builders waste

[The Great One]

I have been asked if I have a pigeon dropping removal license from a tender I have gone for. Where would one look to get such a license?

Cheers,

Matt

Never heard of such a thing.

Once treated,  Pigeon Guano can be disposed of a normal waste.

Martin

[Matt Gibson]

So you dont need any special license to remove/clean pigeon droppings off a building? its just a waste license to dispose of it?

I was under the impression it was a specialist thing because of the health reasons.

[BDCS]

You may be able to put it into normal landfill once treated with a biocide but if you transport it you still have to give it the correct waste code - which is ? It gets the generic one that picks up that waste that does not have a specific code. Just because its been treated it's still pigeon guano. The skip route was the best option for me / customer

[mike roberts]

Agree with Martin we have removed from buildings etc no problem.

Health risk blah .... all a big con you read all the evidence not a problem just use std ppe bag and seal.

We once got asked for a license to remove human feces (nice eh) complete nonsense, turned out the other cleaning company had enough of problem (alley way near nightclub) and didnt want to deal with problem told the owner you needed a license! 

Ask for clarification ref license you might find another contractor is trying to pull a fast one

[The Great One]

Agree with Martin we have removed from buildings etc no problem.

Health risk blah .... all a big con you read all the evidence not a problem just use std ppe bag and seal.

We once got asked for a license to remove human feces (nice eh) complete nonsense, turned out the other cleaning company had enough of problem (alley way near nightclub) and didnt want to deal with problem told the owner you needed a license! 

Ask for clarification ref license you might find another contractor is trying to pull a fast one

there are actually serious health concerns with pigeon guano, it contains over 60 diseases, 40 of which are communicable to human.

But, if you spray down with a biocide and wait 15 mins it will destroy them all, you keep spraying down as you do it, it's heavy stuff so a few bags might be needed.

To get around the waste carriers issue, just use a registered waste carrier to do it for you, they will charge X amount and you put a little on top for yourself for the bother of calling and arranging.

It can all be disposed of in landfill once treated.

For your safety use all proper PPE (mask, goggles, suit, gloves) this will all be disposed of once finished.

It's dirty work and charge around £60 p/h for doing it + whatever the waste carrier will charge + £30-50 on top for yourself.

Sorted

Martin

[Matt Gibson]

Cheers guys,

Been doing a bit of reading up and seems that in small ammounts it can be disposed of as normal waste, no license needed to dispose. I was just under the impression that you needed a license to actually touch it at all, even to just wash it off a wall..

Learn something new every day!

[mike roberts]

Agree with Martin we have removed from buildings etc no problem.

Health risk blah .... all a big con you read all the evidence not a problem just use std ppe bag and seal.

We once got asked for a license to remove human feces (nice eh) complete nonsense, turned out the other cleaning company had enough of problem (alley way near nightclub) and didnt want to deal with problem told the owner you needed a license! 

Ask for clarification ref license you might find another contractor is trying to pull a fast one

there are actually serious health concerns with pigeon guano, it contains over 60 diseases, 40 of which are communicable to human.

But, if you spray down with a biocide and wait 15 mins it will destroy them all, you keep spraying down as you do it, it's heavy stuff so a few bags might be needed.

To get around the waste carriers issue, just use a registered waste carrier to do it for you, they will charge X amount and you put a little on top for yourself for the bother of calling and arranging.

It can all be disposed of in landfill once treated.

For your safety use all proper PPE (mask, goggles, suit, gloves) this will all be disposed of once finished.

It's dirty work and charge around £60 p/h for doing it + whatever the waste carrier will charge + £30-50 on top for yourself.

Sorted

Martin

I
Much is made of the potential to contract a disease from contact with pigeon droppings, but this is a myth and the likelihood of a human being contracting a disease from contact with pigeons or their excrement is virtually nil. In the main it is the media and the pest control industry that have perpetuated this myth, in both cases for profit. The media needs to sell newspapers and the pest control industry needs to sell its services. In both cases the public is being misled. Most experts are of the opinion that human contact with pigeons and/or their excrement is no more harmful than contact with a caged bird or any other family pet

extract from pigeon control resource centre  I think it somes it up

Really need bit of common sense to approach depending on size of problem - small amounts std ppe fine simply cover yourself in risk / method statements ps- dont see many people using ppe when they go dog walking  :  i will let u tell me how many diseases are in their feces

[BDCS]

Its that attitude that shows this profession in such a bad light - the disregard to the waste carrier regs, any accepted RA & MS and implications for public health. Whilst you are perfectly entitled to your opinion but would you eat in a resturant that the chef never washed his hands after a dump ?
 If I clear guano I wear ppe, am honest in how the waste is disposed of (afterall its the customer that is prosecuted if discovered that its not been done correctly) and provide the waste note. Each to their own

[mike roberts]

IWhilst you are perfectly entitled to your opinion but would you eat in a resturant that the chef never washed his hands after a dump ?  : :

 If I clear guano I wear ppe, am honest in how the waste is disposed of (afterall its the customer that is prosecuted if discovered that its not been done correctly) and provide the waste note. Each to their own

what ... I think you have lost plot  ... both posts said wear PPE But it is the mis-conception about guano extract was from experts. For large amounts its a completely different ball game - but thats where common sense comes in to it, all should be clarified in your risk assesments -  that attitude puts the profession in bad light - yes thats why we are SAFEcontractor approved we have worked hard to achieve this... assume you have ... Again its a common sense approach depending on extent of problem
As for the restaurant comment please..

[chores hygiene management ltd]

i think the relevant point here is that we do what the client requires and i for one would not apply my interpretation of reality when,say, a local council or county council demand waste transfer notices especially if its an earner. a skip and documented proof is priceless whether we think its needed or not

[mike roberts]

i think the relevant point here is that we do what the client requires and i for one would not apply my interpretation of reality when,say, a local council or county council demand waste transfer notices especially if its an earner. a skip and documented proof is priceless whether we think its needed or not

and in English -

The Environment Agency has confirmed that small quantities of pigeon guano can safely be disposed of in a domestic dustbin/wheelie bin or in the commercial equivalent. Small quantities of guano can also be disposed of, by the property owner, at a council-run Tidy Tip facility. The Environment Agency also confirm that large quantities of guano can be disposed of in a standard skip, providing that the company used is an ‘Authorised Waste Carrier’. Virtually every company renting skips in the UK is an Authorised Waste Carrier. When the skip is taken away the property owner will fill in a ‘Transfer Note’, which asks for details of the quantity of waste being removed, the type of waste and the date. The information provided on this form will direct the driver to dispose of the waste at an authorised facility.

Simple 

But no doubt someone will disagree with this

[chores hygiene management ltd]

no i believe my original quote was in businessmans english, the customer wants it, the customer gets it, you keep the work and diligence is proven, im assuming anyone who works for county councils know where im coming from